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re: Deer rifle for my son ?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:47 am to bbvdd
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:47 am to bbvdd
Maybe this spring ill get froggy enough to make a bunch of gel and get some real measurements with different calibers shooting through say 12" of gel and measure the velocity on both sides of it with whatever kind of ammo I can get for whatever calibers I can get my hands on. Hopefully something bonded or barnes X so we can have as much weight retention as possible.
The problem is measuring exit mass. If the bullet loses weight in the target I won't have a way to account for that so it needs to both expand and retain 100% weight.
I think at some point around .30-06ish we would start seeing far less energy used on target than the lighter faster calibers.
The problem is measuring exit mass. If the bullet loses weight in the target I won't have a way to account for that so it needs to both expand and retain 100% weight.
I think at some point around .30-06ish we would start seeing far less energy used on target than the lighter faster calibers.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:48 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Too many variables here.
I was asked about my specific situation this year.
But I still stand by the base assertion that any decent .308 caliber bullet fired from a 308 Win or a 30-06 is greater than any .243 caliber for whitetail. It gives you more room for error, which I needed this year.
quote:
For example, I bet a 375 h&h with 300gr solids would put less energy on the deer at 100 yards than would a .270 with a 130gr Sierra gameking.
I'd take that bet. See below.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:54 am to DownSouthJukin
Point being, in that particular case the bigger round is going to put more energy into the landscape than the deer. It doesn't have enough resistance to take that energy from the much heavier duty bullet. An elephant might not even absorb it all although it would take significantly more than the deer would due to time inside the animal. The .270 is likely to put 100% of its impact energy in the deer.
In my earlier example with the .338 it supported that. The exit hole was only slightly larger than the entrance with little internal damage, indicating that a lot of that 4000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy went into the swamp. The -06 had a huge exit hole and lots of jello bloodshot meat and grenaded internals, indicating that it put lots of energy in the deer. Its a more lightly constructed bullet which decelerated and opened up faster, causing more shock and damage.
In my earlier example with the .338 it supported that. The exit hole was only slightly larger than the entrance with little internal damage, indicating that a lot of that 4000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy went into the swamp. The -06 had a huge exit hole and lots of jello bloodshot meat and grenaded internals, indicating that it put lots of energy in the deer. Its a more lightly constructed bullet which decelerated and opened up faster, causing more shock and damage.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:01 am to tilltheend
Savage Axis is a great starter rifle.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 12:04 pm to tilltheend
257 roberts if you can load up on ammo first. Great deer gun with pretty light recoil
Posted on 12/7/20 at 1:29 pm to tilltheend
300 H&H magnum
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:59 pm to tilltheend
.338 Lapua Mag. Great starter gun. Little to no recoil
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:11 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Get him a .30-06
Good advise right here.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:27 pm to tilltheend
.260 Remington or.7mm08. A 30-30 would also be great if you only hunt in the woods with 100 yard max shots
Do not even consider a .243. I don't care what anyone tells you.
Do not even consider a .243. I don't care what anyone tells you.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:34 pm to mrcoon
7mm-08 excellent choice
Tikkas can be had for under 700 Mine is a 30.06 which would be a great choice of caliber as well.
Tikkas can be had for under 700 Mine is a 30.06 which would be a great choice of caliber as well.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:58 pm to mrcoon
The 7mm-08 is an excellent cartridge and i would never try to talk anyone out of that round, it’s excellent..... BUT people that bag on the .243 are either ignorant, can’t shoot, can’t choose proper ammo or all 3. The 7mm-08 has years of work to catch the .243 on deer kills or probably elk kills for that matter. 243 win is plenty of gun!
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:22 pm to TexasHand
7mm-08 trails the .30-30 in kills, as well. Could it be becasue the 7mm-08 is a newer round?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:44 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Browning X-Bolt .308 Stainless Stalker and a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10x40mm. This combo will last him a lifetime.
A slightly lower-priced option would be a Weatherby Vanguard .308 and a Leupold VX-Freedom 3-9x40mm.
Great setup. Forever.
Hornady makes reduced recoil .308s if he needs. Tune the scope for that round. When he gets older buy the regular .308 and resight.
I did have my daughter shooting my AR47 this weekend. She did well I need to scope my next build and let her hunt with it.
Academy had the center compass on sale lasted year. 299 with a $50 store gift card rebate. Put towards a scope there. Vortex makes a nice entry scope.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:44 pm to 257WBY
7mm08 - 1958
.243 - 1955
Ssssooooo it has more than three years to catch up, try again. I’m also partial to the .257 Weatherby, excellent round also!
.243 - 1955
Ssssooooo it has more than three years to catch up, try again. I’m also partial to the .257 Weatherby, excellent round also!
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:15 pm to TexasHand
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people that bag on the .243 are either ignorant, can’t shoot, can’t choose proper ammo or all 3
Or they realize that a measurable increase in horsepower is worth the imperceptible increase in recoil.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Dead is dead...... big bullet, little bullet..... big recoil, little recoil.... i’ve never had a problem with recoil, hell i owned a 300 wthby magnum lol. I just flat out enjoy shooting a .243 and have killed everything i’ve pointed it at. You can use whatever gun you choose but 200 yards and in, everything i shoot with a .243 is just as dead as if i shoot my 30-06. Now, you wanna move up to elk or want to shoot distance? That’s a different conversation. But, teaching a kid to shoot well and enjoy hunting there is no “better” caliber than the .243..... there are equal calibers but you’re gonna have to prove better than dead to me.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:33 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Get him a .30-06
Got a remmy 7400 30-06 for my 13 birthday and I never for a second thought it was too much gun.
But honestly if I were buying for my kid it would probably be a 7mm-08. if God created a round specifically for whitetails, it looks the part.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/8/20 at 6:40 pm to SportTiger1
This is why the OB is pretty awesome.
Thanks for all the advice.
I’ll let y’all know what I choose
Thanks for all the advice.
I’ll let y’all know what I choose
Posted on 12/8/20 at 6:54 pm to tilltheend
He's 13, he'll be 16 before you know it so get a man's gun.
30-06
308
300
7mm Mag
270
30-06
308
300
7mm Mag
270
Posted on 12/8/20 at 7:13 pm to biglego
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Savage Axis with a scope from Academy for $329
Walmart has this as well. Good price in a solid gun.
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