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Comments needed on E15 (fuel containing up to 15% ethanol). Do work, OB.

Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:39 am
Posted by Howard Juneau
Cocodrie, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2218 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:39 am
June 28th, 2016

Dear BoatU.S. Member:

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is asking for [link=(comments )]https://capwiz.com/boatus/utr/1/FOZRXIXBSX/GLYKXJBQLD/11255461536[/link]on a proposal to increase the amount of ethanol that must be blended into the nation's gasoline supply for 2017. If adopted, these proposed levels will require the use of a record amount of ethanol, forcing higher-level fuel blends (including E15 or 15% ethanol) into gas pumps and at more gas stations. It's important to know that most marine engines are built to only work with up to 10% ethanol, and it is illegal to use gas containing more than 10% ethanol in any marine engine.

Please take a few moments to send a message NOW urging the EPA to lower the ethanol mandates to ensure an adequate supply of fuel that will work in your boat.

[link=(Click here to take action.)]https://capwiz.com/boatus/utr/1/FOZRXIXBSX/IKMSXJBQLE/11255461536[/link]

Background:

The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is the 2005 law that requires the blending of biofuels such as corn-ethanol into our gasoline. When written, it was assumed that America's use of gasoline would continue to rise. However, U.S. gasoline usage has actually dropped steadily since 2005 and now the law forces more ethanol into fewer gallons of gasoline.

To keep up with this mandate, in 2010 the EPA permitted E15 (fuel containing up to 15% ethanol) into the marketplace, for some engines. E15 has been proven to damage boat engines and so it is prohibited in marine engines. It is also illegal to use E15 in snowmobiles, motorcycles, small engines like lawnmowers and leaf blowers, as well as any car or light-truck made before 2001.

E15 and higher ethanol blends fuel can now be found in 23 states, often at the very same pumps as E10 gasoline. A sticker on the pump mixed in with all the other labels may be the only warning for E15 gasoline. This creates a huge potential for mis-fueling and puts boaters at risk of using fuel that will damage their engines. [link=(CLICK HERE)]https://capwiz.com/boatus/utr/1/FOZRXIXBSX/IKMSXJBQLE/11255461536[/link] for more information on E15 and the Renewable Fuel Standard.

Thanks for being a BoatU.S. member and for [link=(taking action)]https://capwiz.com/boatus/utr/1/FOZRXIXBSX/DKXPXJBQLG/11255461536[/link] to let EPA hear how more ethanol will affect your boat engine. The deadline for your comment is July 11th, 2016. Help spread the word and please FORWARD TO A FRIEND.

Sincerely,

Margaret B. Podlich
President, BoatU.S.
(703) 461-2878 x8363
www.BoatUS.com/gov
Posted by Howard Juneau
Cocodrie, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2218 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:41 am to
OK. I suck at links. Trying to fix.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66380 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:51 am to
:Clames:
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11876 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:16 am to
quote:

:Clames:


It's like a bat signal!
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:53 am to
My 04 truck gets around 3mpg better on the highway running regular fuel. I'm so glad we're propping up all of the corn farmers via government mandate that hurts everyone else in the country. They definitely need 5 $500,000 tractors instead of 4 $500,000 tractors


Eta: Going from 10 mpg to 13 mpg increases my range about 150 miles
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 10:55 am
Posted by highpockets
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2015
1894 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 12:08 pm to
I have signed a few petitions on this, I am 100% for pure gas, I use it in my truck, and along with stabil marine and ring free in my boat, and lawn equipment.

I know on occasion they will dump ethanol in the tanks if that is all they can get, but I think it is worth the 15 cents a gallon up charge.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 12:18 pm to
The government would still go through with it even if 150 million people signed a petition. You've got to realize they don't actually care what people think
Posted by 34venture
Buffer Zone
Member since Mar 2010
11369 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

I'm so glad we're propping up all of the corn farmers


Yeah at $3.60 a bushel they are making money hand over fist.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2926 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Yeah at $3.60 a bushel they are making money hand over fist.


If they weren't making good money off it, then they wouldn't be so eager to grow corn to sell for ethenol.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:21 pm to
Farmers are subsidized on everything but their actual houses from what I've read. Stuff is too expensive, so the government buys it for them
Posted by Bama Shadow
Member since Jan 2009
574 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:39 pm to
If they'd just sell off road 100% gasoline like they do diesel it would solve these problems.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:46 pm to
I wrote a pretty sweet paper on this issue while I was in college.

Basically did a bunch of work to prove that corn based ethanol fuel supplementing was stupid.

Professor said it was the best undergrad paper he had ever read
Posted by Tom Selleck
Member since Jan 2010
670 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:13 pm to
quote:


If they weren't making good money off it, then they wouldn't be so eager to grow corn to sell for ethenol.



Farmers grow corn to sell to grain elevators. It then can go to many places from there. They have little to no control where it goes, unless they sell directly to a chicken house. Ethanol has done very little to prop up the corn price for growers. Subsidies go to ethanol plants, which doesn't help a farmer, unless he is part owner I guess.

Ethanol is a no win for most everyone involved, except the plant owner I guess. Most farmers don't like it and couldn't care less if ethanol was not around.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3665 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:23 pm to
Anyone make cliffs yet?
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
9390 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

Ethanol has done very little to prop up the corn price for growers. Subsidies go to ethanol plants,


Thats not how economics work.

If 25% of corn produced goes to ethanol. Then that is a new market and the farmer directly benefits from that new market. Does not matter if they are not the direct recipient of the actual subsidy payment.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:33 pm to
In engines designed for it, the power and fuel mileage is fine. In engines not designed for it, they are like 10-30% worse IIRC. Of course there are a bunch of other other costs associated with it
Posted by Tom Selleck
Member since Jan 2010
670 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:50 pm to
I think the claim was, everything a farmer has Is subsidized and the reason farmers grow corn is because of ethanol subsidies. I'm not defending ethanol. I hate it. It's stupid. But it's just like wind and solar energy. It doesn't work without government mandated quotas and tax cuts/subsidies/incentives.

And that's not how farming works. Farmers don't know nor do most care where their corn goes once they cut and sell it. Ethanol may have, many years ago, driven the price of corn up short term. It's not a new market, in fact some plants closed or did not get built. Farmers aren't growing corn because of ethanol.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
9390 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

Ethanol may have, many years ago, driven the price of corn up short term. It's not a new market, in fact some plants closed or did not get built. Farmers aren't growing corn because of ethanol.


Ethanol uses over 5 billion bushels a year. So yea, along with chickens it is a driving force of corn prices.
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
9334 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:10 pm to
Ethanol sucks as a fuel (not enough BTUs,) starves kids, is carbon negative, but because there is an Iowa caucus, we had that shite forced upon us. Interesting enough it was the fing Republicans that passed that shite initially.
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