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Howard Juneau
| Favorite team: | LSU |
| Location: | Cocodrie, LA |
| Biography: | |
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| Occupation: | Square Dance Instructor. |
| Number of Posts: | 2233 |
| Registered on: | 11/19/2007 |
| Online Status: | Not Online |
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re: So you wanna be a personal injury lawyer?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 4/17/25 at 2:32 pm to AllbyMyRelf
As of now, most U.S. states do not allow non-lawyers to own or have an equity stake in a law firm, due to Rule 5.4 of the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct, which prohibits fee-sharing with non-lawyers to preserve legal ethics and independence.
However, a few jurisdictions are experimenting with alternative business structures (ABS) and regulatory reforms.
States That Allow (or Are Testing) Non-Lawyer Ownership:
1. Arizona
• Fully allows non-lawyers to own law firms since 2021.
• Eliminated Rule 5.4 entirely.
• Law firms can now register as Alternative Business Structures (ABS) with non-lawyer investment and management.
2. Utah
• Running a regulatory sandbox through the Utah Office of Legal Services Innovation.
• Allows non-lawyer ownership and innovative legal services under close monitoring.
• Sandbox pilot expected to be extended or made permanent.
3. Washington, D.C.
• Long-standing exception: allows non-lawyers to own a minority share of a law firm, but only if they are part of delivering legal services (e.g., social workers, compliance experts).
States Considering or Studying It:
Several states are studying the issue or have task forces exploring changes to Rule 5.4, including:
• California
• Illinois
• New York
• Florida
• Connecticut
• North Carolina
• Oregon
None of these have approved non-lawyer ownership yet, but the national trend is toward limited experimentation.
Bottom Line:
• Arizona is currently the most open.
• Utah and D.C. have limited versions.
• Most states still prohibit it, but reforms may be coming.
The majority of the investors in these firms are hedge funds.
As for selling this particular firm, they don’t have a base of new cases that justify that price. 8-10 cases a month is nothing. What they are signing up they are making hay with, but that’s not typically what buyers want. Law firm buyers want systems, lead flow and case flow. This firm only has cash flow. That is highly dependent on the lawyers in the firm and not the law firm.
However, a few jurisdictions are experimenting with alternative business structures (ABS) and regulatory reforms.
States That Allow (or Are Testing) Non-Lawyer Ownership:
1. Arizona
• Fully allows non-lawyers to own law firms since 2021.
• Eliminated Rule 5.4 entirely.
• Law firms can now register as Alternative Business Structures (ABS) with non-lawyer investment and management.
2. Utah
• Running a regulatory sandbox through the Utah Office of Legal Services Innovation.
• Allows non-lawyer ownership and innovative legal services under close monitoring.
• Sandbox pilot expected to be extended or made permanent.
3. Washington, D.C.
• Long-standing exception: allows non-lawyers to own a minority share of a law firm, but only if they are part of delivering legal services (e.g., social workers, compliance experts).
States Considering or Studying It:
Several states are studying the issue or have task forces exploring changes to Rule 5.4, including:
• California
• Illinois
• New York
• Florida
• Connecticut
• North Carolina
• Oregon
None of these have approved non-lawyer ownership yet, but the national trend is toward limited experimentation.
Bottom Line:
• Arizona is currently the most open.
• Utah and D.C. have limited versions.
• Most states still prohibit it, but reforms may be coming.
The majority of the investors in these firms are hedge funds.
As for selling this particular firm, they don’t have a base of new cases that justify that price. 8-10 cases a month is nothing. What they are signing up they are making hay with, but that’s not typically what buyers want. Law firm buyers want systems, lead flow and case flow. This firm only has cash flow. That is highly dependent on the lawyers in the firm and not the law firm.
re: Gov “trial lawyer” Landry to hold press conference on Insurance Wednesday at 10
Posted by Howard Juneau on 4/9/25 at 3:28 pm to jrobic4
His press conference made more sense to me than any of the tort reform BS that the insurance lobby has been shoving down our throats.
They've passed some version of tort reform every damn year for three years, right? Has anyone's insurance gone down afterward? Mine didn't. Mine actually went up.
Meanwhile, "State Farm reported a profit of $5.3 billion in 2024." It ain't Gordon and Bart that's making your rates go up.
They've passed some version of tort reform every damn year for three years, right? Has anyone's insurance gone down afterward? Mine didn't. Mine actually went up.
Meanwhile, "State Farm reported a profit of $5.3 billion in 2024." It ain't Gordon and Bart that's making your rates go up.
re: Being a small town attorney
Posted by Howard Juneau on 11/25/24 at 12:56 pm to BassMaster318
quote:
Unless you work big law, I have never understood why one would be an attorney. Make partner in 9 years and 1 million a year, or make shite money, with the stress, and try to get any client you can...
That's a terrible quality of life. Most big firm partners don't make 1 million a year. A minority of them, sure. But a big law firm with 150 partners isn't paying all 150 partners 1 million. They'd be lucky if they grossed 150 million.
re: Donald Trump is 'eying firebrand lawyer Alina Habba for White House press secretary role!
Posted by Howard Juneau on 11/13/24 at 11:03 am to CorchJay
quote:
I’m eyeing her as well
This is top-notch commenting at its finest. Good work, sir.
re: WTS: 4 LSU v Bama in the Tiger Terrace (Sec. 535 near the 50-yard line) w/ parking pass
Posted by Howard Juneau on 11/8/24 at 9:33 am to Howard Juneau
Sold.
re: WTS: 4 LSU v Bama in the Tiger Terrace (Sec. 535 near the 50-yard line) w/ parking pass
Posted by Howard Juneau on 11/7/24 at 7:14 pm to JTBrett
Not a scam, fool. Bring your cash to my office on Siegen Lane and I’ll hand you the tickets. Member since 2007 with 2,200 posts and this week I finally decide to try out scamming? Come on.
WTS: 4 LSU v Bama in the Tiger Terrace (Sec. 535 near the 50-yard line) w/ parking pass
Posted by Howard Juneau on 11/6/24 at 8:39 pm
$1,600
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re: Does anybody still do old-school steam cleaning of the undercarriage of trucks anymore?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 8/14/24 at 8:48 am to bayouteche
quote:
Cajun Brown baw! Buy a jug and go to town.
That looks promising.
re: Does anybody still do old-school steam cleaning of the undercarriage of trucks anymore?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 8/13/24 at 8:08 am to Howard Juneau
Should’ve clarified that I am in Baton Rouge, but I can drive any direction to get it done.
Does anybody still do old-school steam cleaning of the undercarriage of trucks anymore?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 8/13/24 at 8:07 am
I would like to get all the grease and grime off the undercarriage of my old hunting truck before hunting season.
re: The USA Has More Lawyers Per Capita Than Any Place In The World. Go FIGGER!!
Posted by Howard Juneau on 8/5/24 at 11:52 am to Timeoday
quote:
Historically, excessive litigation has destroyed many a country.
Which ones?
re: How many lawyers do you know and are they wealthy?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 8/1/24 at 1:43 pm to Tall Tiger
I'm one of those TV and billboard lawyers. I make ok money, but I don't have 50M in the bank.
re: Attorney missed liens in title search
Posted by Howard Juneau on 7/15/24 at 10:12 am to soccerfüt
quote:
<——Not a lawyer
It sounds like you’ll be OK (personally), you’ve got two entities between you and the liens.
Whew. Don't listen to this. The liens are attached to the property. But make sure they have debt associated with them.
re: Official injury lawyers of the Basin Bridge?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 7/6/24 at 12:21 pm to Roscoe
Sure is.
re: Jeff Landry in trial lawyers pocket
Posted by Howard Juneau on 5/24/24 at 1:41 pm to LSU5508
quote:
We heard how tort reform two years ago was going to drastically reduce car insurance. It passed yet nothing changed.
That's not true. Something did change: Insurance rates went up. That's why the insurance lobby wouldn't let a guarantee that the law would sunset on its own if rates didn't go down as promised.
It was never about insurance rates. It still isn't about insurance rates.
Jeff Albright, head of the Independent Insurance Agents & Brokers of Louisiana, finally told the truth, but not until after the bill passed.
The Advocate, reported:
Lowering auto insurance rates really wasn’t the point of the tort reform legislation signed into law last month [Jeff] Albright said. After years of trying to pass bills that would limit the ability of individuals seeking [compensation] from injuries through the courts, tort reformers took a different tack.
Albright continued, “Strategically, we did something different this year in pressing forward on tort reform,” Albright told the panel meeting on a video conference. “Historically, we’ve talked about tort reform from the perspective of ‘we need to improve the business environment, and tort reform is an important part of improving the business environment.’ We all get that. But it is not really an issue that is going to excite Joe Six-Pack to call their legislator and press for tort reform. And so, the change in strategy was we kind of tied tort reform to automobile insurance this time.”
It was all based on an admitted lie. A clever lie. But a lie all the same. No one at the legislature had any proof tort claims were making insurance rates higher. No one really knows what the rates are based on because the insurance companies tightly guard how they calculate rates as a secret. Even a friend of the industry, Insurance Commissioner Donelon, has called the auto insurance industry “opaque.”
This year they did some "work" on bad faith laws. People like the OP who drink the cool aid will think that's a good thing.
Wait until the next hurricane roars through here, and your insurance company won't act in good faith. You won't have a stick anymore to make them pay.
But sure, blame trial lawyers. Your rates went up since the last round of tort reform 4 years ago.
Know what else went up during the same time frame?
Insurance company profits.
re: Life as a Lawyer Advice Needed
Posted by Howard Juneau on 4/3/24 at 10:40 am to lsujro
quote:
i don't think being a woman is inherently limiting
Me either. As a girl dad, I'm going out of my way to give her all of the advantages I think she'll need. She goes to a great camp in New England every summer where she meets tons of people from all over the country, plays golf, is a predator of an offshore fisherman, etc.
She's going to have an uphill battle in business, and neither my wife nor I have jobs, and my parents didn't either, so if she's going to make it on her own, she'll need a leg up.
But you would agree that the barrier to female entry into the marketplace is lower than it was 20 years ago, right?
re: Life as a Lawyer Advice Needed
Posted by Howard Juneau on 4/2/24 at 8:34 pm to NaturalBeam
quote:
You hiring?
Always. Are you a finder, minder, or grinder? :lol:
re: Life as a Lawyer Advice Needed
Posted by Howard Juneau on 4/2/24 at 12:06 pm to Unsettled
I'm a law firm owner with about 21 employees. I say that to help provide context for the answers to your questions.
Everyone in law school is a hard worker and an overachiever. Being at the top of your class in college does not equate to being at the top of your class in law school. If she goes to a top-tier law school, she'll be running a race with a whole class of track champions. Was her LSAT >160?
Not great for anyone who doesn't graduate at the top of their class.
I would tell her to go to a bigger school if she wants to live somewhere other than Louisiana. But to answer your question, 60k a year is not a lot of money, but for a 20-something right out of school, it is fine.
Where she clerks while in school is of the utmost importance. Does she want to work in a big elevator law firm on the 40th floor somewhere? Does she want to open her own firm one day? Does she want to litigate? Does she prefer transactional work? Does she have a charming personality such that she would be able to generate her own work? All of these are things she needs to be considering.
Successful PI lawyers and successful criminal lawyers make the most money in Louisiana in small firms. Partners at the largest firms can make what PI lawyers make, but it takes them 15 years or so to get there.
If money is all she's after, she needs to consider that when it comes to what firms she clerks at. She'll make way less money clerking for a firm like mine (I pay $15 an hour, whereas the big firms pay closer to $30 or even $45 out of state), but I start my lawyers at $120k per year, and my highest-paid lawyers make seven figures a year.
Long story short, she needs a road map to what she wants, and pick firms to clerk at that will get her there. Too many students pick the highest paying clerking jobs, then don't have the resume that fits the job they really want. Short-sighted all the way around.
There are three types of lawyers and only three types:
1. Finders. These are the rain-makers. They can generate work, don't eat with their feet, can play golf, tell good jokes, play cards, and are just as at home at Ruth's Chris or the country club as they are in the courtroom. These are your highest-earning lawyers. Finders make up about 10% of the lawyers.
2. Minders. These are the lawyer who have good people skills but aren't the country club and Ruth's Chris schoozers. They may not have the in-person charm or, frankly, the charisma to hold court at a white-linen dinner with clients. BUT, they can talk on the phone with clients and ask clients how their kid's t-ball game went. Successful minders are the folks who make notes in their CRM about the clients to ask them about later, like vacations, hobbies, etc. In other words, they can "mind" the clients once they are originated and brought into the firm. These are the lawyers the partners trust calling and emailing clients, but they aren't going to get the day off to go golfing or invited to long Friday lunches at Ruth's Chris. They are the middle-of-the-road earners. Minders make up about 40% of the lawyers.
3. Grinders. These are the lawyers who get stuck in 10x10 offices for life. They are the workhorses of a law firm. They draft pleadings, attend depositions of non-clients, do legal research, and write legal memos for the Finders and Minders in the firm. They are the lowest rung of earners because they are the most easily replaced. Grinders make up about 50% of the lawyers.
Is your daughter a finder, minder, or grinder? That will answer a lot of your questions about what kind of earner she will be. If she's a grinder, she needs to pick a niche line of work to be a decent earner... something like intellectual property, maritime defense, or the like.
The worst earners are the grinders who try to open their own firm. They ultimately fail and end up going back to another firm to do some grinding for a finder or minder.
Ponder these things, and good luck to her!
quote:
She is a hard worker and an overachiever so I know she will graduate near the top of any class she attends.
Everyone in law school is a hard worker and an overachiever. Being at the top of your class in college does not equate to being at the top of your class in law school. If she goes to a top-tier law school, she'll be running a race with a whole class of track champions. Was her LSAT >160?
quote:
1. What is the job market like for lawyers in Louisiana for a kid with good grades but no contacts.
Not great for anyone who doesn't graduate at the top of their class.
quote:
2. What is life like for a professional living and working in Louisiana? Lawyers do ok money wise but nothing like doctors and they usually start at 60-70k a year. Is it pleasant to live in LA on 65k a year??
I would tell her to go to a bigger school if she wants to live somewhere other than Louisiana. But to answer your question, 60k a year is not a lot of money, but for a 20-something right out of school, it is fine.
quote:
3. I don’t know enough to really ask the right questions so if you have any other insight that would be helpful please give it.
Where she clerks while in school is of the utmost importance. Does she want to work in a big elevator law firm on the 40th floor somewhere? Does she want to open her own firm one day? Does she want to litigate? Does she prefer transactional work? Does she have a charming personality such that she would be able to generate her own work? All of these are things she needs to be considering.
Successful PI lawyers and successful criminal lawyers make the most money in Louisiana in small firms. Partners at the largest firms can make what PI lawyers make, but it takes them 15 years or so to get there.
If money is all she's after, she needs to consider that when it comes to what firms she clerks at. She'll make way less money clerking for a firm like mine (I pay $15 an hour, whereas the big firms pay closer to $30 or even $45 out of state), but I start my lawyers at $120k per year, and my highest-paid lawyers make seven figures a year.
Long story short, she needs a road map to what she wants, and pick firms to clerk at that will get her there. Too many students pick the highest paying clerking jobs, then don't have the resume that fits the job they really want. Short-sighted all the way around.
There are three types of lawyers and only three types:
1. Finders. These are the rain-makers. They can generate work, don't eat with their feet, can play golf, tell good jokes, play cards, and are just as at home at Ruth's Chris or the country club as they are in the courtroom. These are your highest-earning lawyers. Finders make up about 10% of the lawyers.
2. Minders. These are the lawyer who have good people skills but aren't the country club and Ruth's Chris schoozers. They may not have the in-person charm or, frankly, the charisma to hold court at a white-linen dinner with clients. BUT, they can talk on the phone with clients and ask clients how their kid's t-ball game went. Successful minders are the folks who make notes in their CRM about the clients to ask them about later, like vacations, hobbies, etc. In other words, they can "mind" the clients once they are originated and brought into the firm. These are the lawyers the partners trust calling and emailing clients, but they aren't going to get the day off to go golfing or invited to long Friday lunches at Ruth's Chris. They are the middle-of-the-road earners. Minders make up about 40% of the lawyers.
3. Grinders. These are the lawyers who get stuck in 10x10 offices for life. They are the workhorses of a law firm. They draft pleadings, attend depositions of non-clients, do legal research, and write legal memos for the Finders and Minders in the firm. They are the lowest rung of earners because they are the most easily replaced. Grinders make up about 50% of the lawyers.
Is your daughter a finder, minder, or grinder? That will answer a lot of your questions about what kind of earner she will be. If she's a grinder, she needs to pick a niche line of work to be a decent earner... something like intellectual property, maritime defense, or the like.
The worst earners are the grinders who try to open their own firm. They ultimately fail and end up going back to another firm to do some grinding for a finder or minder.
Ponder these things, and good luck to her!
re: Someone to clean up the undercarriage of a truck?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 3/15/24 at 6:01 pm to BorrisMart
There’s no leaks on this truck. But the trucks like it that sell for top dollar are clean inside and out and top to bottom. It’s a 2002 Ford excursion limited 4 x 4 with a 7.3 diesel and only 65,000 miles. It’ll go for top dollar I just got to put the Finishing touches on it
Someone to clean up the undercarriage of a truck?
Posted by Howard Juneau on 3/12/24 at 5:48 pm
I have a 20-year-old truck that I want to sell. Who can I get to steam clean and otherwise clean up the undercarriage? I called to detail places and when I told him I wanted to clean the undercarriage they acted like I was talking German.
re: This Pogie Hearing Tomorrow... You Baws Need to Come or Email the LDWF!
Posted by Howard Juneau on 2/15/24 at 8:20 am to Shanks A Lot
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Thanks for nothing as usual CCA.
You can thank CCA for getting this done, and they worked years for it. The powers that be wanted NO regulations at all, just like it always has been.
I don't get you CCA haters. You don't support the one organization that is fighting for us recreational baws, and then you whine and complain when you don't have an organization fighting for you.
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