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re: ATF released some new NFA numbers for wait times...
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:51 pm to bluemoons
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:51 pm to bluemoons
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My FFL buddy told me he had one come back in three weeks recently. E-file from 4.
It is all random. I know of a guy who already had a bunch of cans in a trust get a few more at the local shop and it came back the same business day approved. Total freak occurrence but true story. Just goes to show they can do it quick if they want.
A buddy's short barrels came back in two weeks about a month ago which the first time he did it took forever. Of course, I have never had such luck and have always waited forever.
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 3:38 pm to finchmeister08
Everyone in the thread is correct about the super short times lately.
Here is why. FWIW, I have a friend who works up there and talked to him yesterday. He related that a Congressman made an Inquiry about wait times based on some complaints from constituents regarding year plus waits. The letter from Congress specifically asked about the AVERAGE wait times.
So marching orders from HQ came in to make the AVERAGE go down immediately. So what they are doing is taking Form 4's that were submitted ELECTRONICALLY via the E-Form system and skipping the step where they send the fingerprints over to FBI and sit around to wait on a reply. Instead they are simply running a NICS check on the person and then Approving the form if they pass NICS. This is resulting in two, three and four day turnarounds.
Anyone that knows math knows that doing this is going to make a bunch of 300 and 400 day wait times look like 60-90 days ON AVERAGE. When they turn the numbers in, Congress is going to say "Oh, 60 to 90 days is cool. Carry on." So expect things to go back to normal after this little game is over.
And before someone says "how do they decide which to bypass FBI and just run a NICS?" He didn't know and couldn't tell me. It's all a charade at this point.
Here is why. FWIW, I have a friend who works up there and talked to him yesterday. He related that a Congressman made an Inquiry about wait times based on some complaints from constituents regarding year plus waits. The letter from Congress specifically asked about the AVERAGE wait times.
So marching orders from HQ came in to make the AVERAGE go down immediately. So what they are doing is taking Form 4's that were submitted ELECTRONICALLY via the E-Form system and skipping the step where they send the fingerprints over to FBI and sit around to wait on a reply. Instead they are simply running a NICS check on the person and then Approving the form if they pass NICS. This is resulting in two, three and four day turnarounds.
Anyone that knows math knows that doing this is going to make a bunch of 300 and 400 day wait times look like 60-90 days ON AVERAGE. When they turn the numbers in, Congress is going to say "Oh, 60 to 90 days is cool. Carry on." So expect things to go back to normal after this little game is over.
And before someone says "how do they decide which to bypass FBI and just run a NICS?" He didn't know and couldn't tell me. It's all a charade at this point.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 3:59 pm to jbgleason
i'm not sure how much i believe that because it's the FBI that runs the NICS check. not the ATF. as far as my understanding of it, the ATF just logs it all into the registry and submits paperwork.
i can believe that they're not matching fingerprints and just running the check, but i doubt that they're not sending them.
i can believe that they're not matching fingerprints and just running the check, but i doubt that they're not sending them.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 4:28 pm to finchmeister08
If I want a suppressor I'm making one or getting a couple machine shops to make it. frick the ATF and FBI. I'd never wait on a stamp for something I'm going to use privately.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:51 pm to saintsfan1977
quote:sure jan.
If I want a suppressor I'm making one or getting a couple machine shops to make it. frick the ATF and FBI. I'd never wait on a stamp for something I'm going to use privately.
There’s no wait on them foam ear plugs but I don’t look like a SEAL basket rack sniper either.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:52 pm to finchmeister08
Are you guys mostly doing individual stamps or is it still worth setting up a trust? Thinking of building my first SBR amd picking up a silencer. Just learning about the NFA process.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 6:49 pm to Jon A thon
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Are you guys mostly doing individual stamps or is it still worth setting up a trust? Thinking of building my first SBR amd picking up a silencer.
it all depends. are you single and plan on being single for the forseeable future? go the individual route.
are you married with children and plan on loaning out these items when they're old enough? go the trust route.
every member of the trust can use the NFA item without the Settlor (creator of the trust). just know that every member of the trust will have to fill out a Responsible Persons form when applying for a new tax stamp along with fingerprints and passport style photograph. it sounds like a lot, but it's really not that complicated.
some people start a trust with only themselves listed on it with no one else. they purchase what they want, get approved, and then add folks to the trust after the fact. doing this doesn't force you to resubmit the trust to the ATF or keep them updated. blows my mind that the ATF allows this, but they do.
you would only update them the next time you go to apply for a new stamp, and then you would send your original trust, the amendment showing who you added, and the responsible persons form for the person you added along with their fingerprints and photograph.
regardless, just to be clear, individual or trust, you're still paying $200 per stamp/per item. not $200/person on the trust.
i would go to https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/. lot's of info there and they have email support that can coach you on a few items. they even have YouTube videos on how to fill out the different forms. they make it super-duper easy.
you can get it notified at your bank for free. be sure to bring a friend as a witness. it can't be someone that's on the trust (i think).
then create an eForms account with the ATF.
i've got an SBR on my trust that i submitted through the eForms site. i also have a silencer that's registered with only me (individual). i can transfer it to the trust, but that would be a paper Form 4, RPs forms, fingerprint cards, photos, and another $200. the eForms site isn't set up to do this electronically, yet. hopefully one day in the future.
also, if you die, the ATF allows a free transfer to the inheritor once. when/if they die, the next person will have to pay another $200.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:37 pm to White Bear
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sure jan.
You want to pay 200 bucks and wait over 6 months for something that Noone will know you have unless you kill someone with it? That sounds great.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:57 pm to saintsfan1977
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You want to pay 200 bucks and wait over 6 months for something that Noone will know you have unless you kill someone with it? That sounds great.
Know a guy about to finish a 10 year bid in the feds for doing that and shooting hogs on his personal property in bfe. Would not recommend. Just make it and send it in to form it.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:37 pm to BorrisMart
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Know a guy about to finish a 10 year bid in the feds for doing that and shooting hogs on his personal property in bfe.
More to this story than just hog hunting.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 10:07 pm to finchmeister08
So, say I'm interested in one. Never even shopped. Do I shop first, pick one, buy, then the process starts? I realize this is a dumb question to most of you, but I have only owned a threaded barrel for 3 months now.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 10:25 pm to calcotron
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Do I shop first, pick one, buy, then the process starts?
Most stores have the ability to do every thing right there in the store. So you buy, take a photo, fingerprint, and paperwork at the same time.
And yes pick out the suppressor you want first then find a store that has it in stock.
Posted on 3/15/24 at 10:32 pm to calcotron
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This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 3/15/24 at 10:57 pm to calcotron
Look up Pew Science as well. He’s got a chart for every suppressor, near about, with different barrel lengths. Find one with good stats and what you can afford.
Dead Air
SilencerCo
Griffin Armament
Surefire
Q
Yankee Hill Machine
Those are probably some of the more popular brands.
Then you have your different muzzle devices and hub adapters.
Q Cherry Bomb/Plan B
Dead Air Keymo
SilencerCo ASR
Rearden
Surefire
…just to name a few.
Dead Air
SilencerCo
Griffin Armament
Surefire
Q
Yankee Hill Machine
Those are probably some of the more popular brands.
Then you have your different muzzle devices and hub adapters.
Q Cherry Bomb/Plan B
Dead Air Keymo
SilencerCo ASR
Rearden
Surefire
…just to name a few.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:00 am to finchmeister08
quote:
Dead Air
SilencerCo
Griffin Armament
Surefire
Q
Yankee Hill Machine
A newer company Otter Creek Labs has some interesting offerings as well and has a interesting approach to marketing.
Acording to silencer shop this is supposed to be the new norm for ATF approvals.
LINK
Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:57 am to NOLAGT
Yeah, that’s another popular brand. Forgot about them.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 6:10 am to beerJeep
quote:and AT kill more people every year than guns by a loooong shot
uck the terrorist organization known as the ATF
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:14 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
More to this story than just hog hunting.
It’s called building a suppressor and not registering it.
I thought that was clear.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 8:05 am to bbvdd
No way in Hades anyone - without prior extensive criminal history - is doing 10 years in Federal prison for simply manufacturing an unregistered suppressor for individual use.
This post was edited on 3/16/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/16/24 at 8:09 am to finchmeister08
Seems pretty infringy
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