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re: Anyone gone down The Ranch Fairy rabbit hole...
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:52 pm to Farmtiger
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:52 pm to Farmtiger
He got the 30% from his pre “ashby” kill rate.... it’s not that anymore. 600 and 20% seems to be a sweet spot for me. I will probably change to single bevels at some point but i have a ton of 125 black hornets on hand so i see no need to change just yet. And people can say what they want and it does have some downsides, i love love love my EZV bow sight.
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Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:14 pm to Farmtiger
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that increases my practice/interest
This is the key with the heavy game. I’m only at 550 gr which is perfect for me but knowing that it takes a lot more patience and practice to truly tune shooting heavier arrows and fixed blades. He has his good information but like I said his approach sometimes too much for my style.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:44 pm to Farmtiger
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Then he starts throwing out that the RF is only 30% successful in recovering his animals. I have no idea where the guy got that from.
Should have asked him what his recovery rate is...I'm sure it's amazingly exaggerated.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
Poking a hole through the vitals is the most important thing. If you are confident enough in your ability to get a good range on the animals you shoot, then by all means go as heavy as you want. An average dude with a 28" draw, pulling 60-70 pounds will struggle with a 700 grain arrow. Can you handle being off by 3-4 inches if you shoot a deer for 30 and hes actually 35?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:15 pm to Farmtiger
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IMHO, anything that increases my practice/interest and causes me to learn more can't be a bad thing. I know for a fact that my broadheads will have never been as sharp as they will be this fall when I hit the woods.
This all day!
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:15 pm to bigbuckdj
I you’re going to shoot a 700 grain arrow, there’s no doubt you will have to manage your shot distance.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:53 am to TexasHand
Team light-n-fast for life.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:36 am to TexasHand
I shoot a slow bow, not because my arrows are heavy but because I'm a poor midget. When I can afford a faster bow I'll get one and I damn sure don't want to slow the arrow down. There isn't a very big margin of error when I can't pull my rangefinder out. I range all the trees around me but 3 or 4 yards makes a big difference.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:50 am to TexasHand
I made the switch last year to heavy arrows and after witnessing how deer reacted to being hit with heavy arrows, I won't be going back to light arrows
I shot 3 deer last year with my bow and none of them knew they had been hit
They all walked casually for about 20 yards, laid down, and died
I shoot 550 grain
I shot 3 deer last year with my bow and none of them knew they had been hit
They all walked casually for about 20 yards, laid down, and died
I shoot 550 grain
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:50 am to Salmon
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I shoot 550 grain
I think he has said that's the sweet spot, that something magical happens around the 550 mark.
I tried to stay around the 550 mark but, the best I've been able to do is 601gr 13.7% FOC
I am hoping to have similar results to yours!!
As for the being off 3-5"comment above, I could say the same thing about light and fast or someone shooting a rifle. If you have a rifle sighted in at 100 yards what's it hitting at 238 yards with a 15MPH cross wind with a cold bore? Each caliber shoots different and you need to know what yours does is my point
You should know as much as you can about the ballistics and take the most ethical shots you can.
I know folks that shoot .338 rifles and others that shoot .243's. I see this as the same thing.
I choose a setup that is quieter, higher in kinetic energy, and have the ability to resharpen the heads as sharp as I want rather easily. It works for me because I don't take shots over 25-30 yards anyway.
By saying that I am not saying anyone that shoots different than me is wrong.
That's the biggest thing I have with the industry as it is today. When I go to a bow shop they should say, ok, here is the knowledge I have to help your setup, not that guy is a clown, don't listen to him....
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:00 pm to Farmtiger
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and have the ability to resharpen the heads as sharp as I want rather easily.
this is my favorite thing about making the switch to single bevel
yeah, my broadheads cost $35 per, but I can re-use them forever
unless I shoot a deer in tall grass and the arrow passes through like butter and I cannot find my arrow in the tall grass
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:07 pm to Salmon
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unless I shoot a deer in tall grass and the arrow passes through like butter and I cannot find my arrow in the tall grass
Year before last I was in Kansas 50 yards from a river. I had what appeared to be at least 150" deer come between me and the river fairly quickly at 40 yards and as I looked through my peep I remember thinking "Do arrows float"?
He was to far and moving to fast for me to shoot but, I have thought about that ever since. Considering that I will be shooting an arrow that will be over $50 this year, I will float test them before I leave... HAHA
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:10 pm to Farmtiger
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As for the being off 3-5"comment above, I could say the same thing about light and fast or someone shooting a rifle. If you have a rifle sighted in at 100 yards what's it hitting at 238 yards with a 15MPH cross wind with a cold bore? Each caliber shoots different and you need to know what yours does is my point
I know what my arrow does but you don't always have time to range a deer. In a perfect world, yeah, I'd know the exact yardage. When one pops out the palmettos you might only know it's between 20 and 30
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:52 pm to Loup
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I range all the trees around me but 3 or 4 yards makes a big difference.
I do the same, but this is also why all of my shooting at home isn't done at nice, clean 10 yard increments. I will stop randomly and take some shots at 27 or 33 yards. I want to know what my bow is going to do at all those other distances that will undoubtedly present themselves in a hunting situation.
From that, I have a pretty good idea of what my bow is going to do if I'm off by 3 or 4 yards on my range.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:07 am to Loup
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I know what my arrow does but you don't always have time to range a deer. In a perfect world, yeah, I'd know the exact yardage. When one pops out the palmettos you might only know it's between 20 and 30
I agree but that also was my point. How many times has a trigger been pulled with a rifle when the yardage was not know but guessed.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 2:09 pm to Farmtiger
I just can’t get down with that analogy. I get you should know where you’re gonna hit, but even with a decent wind any capable hunting round is moment of lung out to 250+ yards on a dead hold. My rifle is sighted in to do exactly that.
With a heavy arrow you are fighting speed in the form of a more dramatic trajectory on top of string duck, without the added benefit of hydrostatic shock. I don’t care how big or sharp your fixed blade is, it doesn’t hit like a bullet. Apples and oranges.
With a heavy arrow you are fighting speed in the form of a more dramatic trajectory on top of string duck, without the added benefit of hydrostatic shock. I don’t care how big or sharp your fixed blade is, it doesn’t hit like a bullet. Apples and oranges.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 5:47 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I just can’t get down with that analogy. I get you should know where you’re gonna hit, but even with a decent wind any capable hunting round is moment of lung out to 250+ yards on a dead hold. My rifle is sighted in to do exactly that.
With a heavy arrow you are fighting speed in the form of a more dramatic trajectory on top of string duck, without the added benefit of hydrostatic shock. I don’t care how big or sharp your fixed blade is, it doesn’t hit like a bullet. Apples and oranges.
I just watched an episode of meateater where Rinella was elk hunting. On the last day of the hunt, he has a shot on a bull--shoots over the bull.
It may not be a perfect analogy, but it's more like lemons and oranges than apples and oranges.
Any misjudgement on distance with any weapon could be the difference between a dead animal and a complete miss. It's simply more pronounced with a bow because you're dealing in shorter distances with a projectile moving significantly slower than the other.
And I get the point you are trying to make about bullets and broadheads, but it doesn't matter how either hits if they don't hit vitals.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:18 am to Cowboyfan89
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Any misjudgement on distance with any weapon could be the difference between a dead animal and a complete miss. It's simply more pronounced with a bow because you're dealing in shorter distances with a projectile moving significantly slower than the other.
Not arguing per se but this is the difference. Any misjudgment could, but with a rifle the chance is much, much less. With decent expansion a bullet is going to cause hydrostatic shock and way more damage. Not to mention, you can be off a hundred yards and still be within the group size of the gun. A bullet knicking liver, or going in no man’s land above lung built below spine still has a really good chance of knocking the animal off its feet long enough to bleed out. A deer will never hear a bullet coming to duck it, and the energy behind it is exponentially higher. Bow hunting is what it is because the margin for error is way lower, RF really loses me when he starts talking about “hand loading” for your bow and generally trying to apply firearms principles to a stick and string.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:22 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:22 am to TheDrunkenTigah
you and I are talking different things all together. You are bringing other factors that are not equal when you are talking "hydrostatic shock and way more damage", which I am not debating. Unless you want to debate kinetic energy between a 400gr arrow and a 600 gr arrow.
My point was this:
you need to know the ballistics of what you are shooting.
The rifle comparison was to give an example on how most people will sight in their rifle at 100 yards and not have a clue where they are hitting at 238 yard or how the windage will affect that round at that distance. Honestly most have no clue how to even judge windage but, that is a totally different conversation.
I have a chart that I keep with me for my hunting rifles to quick reference each hunt.
My 7mm and my 30/30 have much different ballistics
My 400 gr arrow and my 600 gr arrow have much different ballistics.
I have to know how all 4 react to distance and windage.
Again, I am in no way arguing that anyone should shoot the way I do, I am merely presenting why I've chosen to shoot the way I do.
My point was this:
you need to know the ballistics of what you are shooting.
The rifle comparison was to give an example on how most people will sight in their rifle at 100 yards and not have a clue where they are hitting at 238 yard or how the windage will affect that round at that distance. Honestly most have no clue how to even judge windage but, that is a totally different conversation.
I have a chart that I keep with me for my hunting rifles to quick reference each hunt.
My 7mm and my 30/30 have much different ballistics
My 400 gr arrow and my 600 gr arrow have much different ballistics.
I have to know how all 4 react to distance and windage.
Again, I am in no way arguing that anyone should shoot the way I do, I am merely presenting why I've chosen to shoot the way I do.
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