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re: Anyone gone down The Ranch Fairy rabbit hole...
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:11 pm to Farmtiger
Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:11 pm to Farmtiger
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people will sight in their rifle at 100 yards and not have a clue where they are hitting at 238 yard
Because for just about all practical hunting purposes, the rifle will hit in the same spot. Even your 30-30 has a MPBR of over 200 yards, and that’s on the very low end for a modern rifle. You just can’t compare that to archery (heavy or light), until you get into massively overpowered x-bows, which is the entire reason people bitch about them.
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:34 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Its just not the same with a rifle. with a bow, it matters a lot if a deer steps out in front of that clump of bushes or behind that clump of bushes. For most high powered rifles in a normal hunting scenario, you wont miss a deers vitals even if you are off by more than 100 yards. The deer dont even have time to react to the bullet.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 7:01 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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RF really loses me when he starts talking about “hand loading” for your bow and generally trying to apply firearms principles to a stick and string.
Why? You can't just shoot any ole arrow out of a bow. Every arrow manufacturer is going to recommend a certain spine based on draw weight. Shaft length is based largely on draw length.
If you actually try it, you might find that some arrows will just shoot better than others out of a specific bow. I found that with my bow for sure. I mean, you have to tune a bow. "Hand loading", as ridiculous as it sounds, is just an extension of that.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
Because it encourages the mindset that your bow will only shoot one arrow like a barrel and it’s pet load, and with modern bows it’s just not true. Again, a barrel and a bow just aren’t the same. You can’t foc your way out of bad form, torque, an inconsistent anchor, poorly built arrows, or a bow that needs tuning. Yes, spine and length need to be accounted for and there are great apps for that, but they‘ll spit out a dozen shafts that are plenty compatible with your draw weight and IBO specs with as much weight as you want to throw on them. Decide what you want to shoot because you’re confident in that setup from an FOC standpoint, and tune the bow around it.
I went though this whole exercise, I shoot heavy inserts on a bit beefier spine and the bow shoots better than I can. I paper tune religiously and build my own arrows. More often than not guys would be better served learning to consistently anchor and not torque the bow, with arrows that are straight, square, and consistently nocked along the spine rather than “hand loading” through that test kit covering other problems with weight.
I went though this whole exercise, I shoot heavy inserts on a bit beefier spine and the bow shoots better than I can. I paper tune religiously and build my own arrows. More often than not guys would be better served learning to consistently anchor and not torque the bow, with arrows that are straight, square, and consistently nocked along the spine rather than “hand loading” through that test kit covering other problems with weight.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 1:07 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
It’s actually the opposite.... he constantly says, most of the time every bow will shoot multiple arrows and different weights well.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 2:40 pm to TexasHand
Fair enough, I didn’t mean to put words in his mouth, but the point I was making is letting the bow pick the arrow setup is arse backwards, yet some people take that and run with it. Weight is fine if you want to punch through shoulder blades, weight to fix a flight issue is a bandaid that should be addressed elsewhere. He’d probably agree, but that can get lost on someone shooting their way through the test kit.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:30 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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He’d probably agree, but that can get lost on someone shooting their way through the test kit.
I wasn't overly impressed with the test kit. Wasn't a fan of the Sirius arrows, and the cut-down inserts are a pain in the arse. I don't want to have to pull the insert out, cut it, put it back in, and potentially do that multiple times before I figure out what works.
I ended up just buying both sets of field points and shooting those until I found a few things that worked in my bow.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:45 pm to TexasHand
Where have you been in MO?
I hunted Elam Bend CA in 2019; harvested a beautiful 8 pt. No does were allowed.
I hunted Elam Bend CA in 2019; harvested a beautiful 8 pt. No does were allowed.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:36 pm to CrusaderInfidel
I personally got into it before the “test kit” so i can’t speak on it. I got the array of field points and some .250 spine Black Eagle Carnivores and bare shafted from there. My bow shot several combos well but 600 grains and 225 up front just shot better, i can’t explain it.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 8:37 pm to CrusaderInfidel
I go to reform every year i don’t get drawn in Kansas..... i’ve had good luck but last year was horrid. We caught a heat wave in early november and really had to work for meat.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 1:01 pm to Farmtiger
quote:Don't ask how, but I know Maxima 350 with 100 grain tips will float.
"Do arrows float"?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:53 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Because for just about all practical hunting purposes, the rifle will hit in the same spot. Even your 30-30 has a MPBR of over 200 yards,
a 30/30 with 100 yard zero will hit around 15 inches low at 238 yards, totally outside the vitals.
I am only talking about ballistics. I am not comparing anything else.
If you shoot a heavy arrow or a light arrow, you still have to know where the thing hits.
I choose not to shoot over 100-150 yards with my 30/30, just like I will choose not to shoot over 25-30 yards with a heavy arrow setup.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:51 am to Farmtiger
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a 30/30 with 100 yard zero will hit around 15 inches low at 238 yards, totally outside the vitals.
I am only talking about ballistics. I am not comparing anything else.
The MPBR is ballistics, and the reason you don’t zero at 100. It’s why pow pow always told you to sight it an inch or two high at 100, before everyone had fancy turrets on their nightforce. The 30-30 is just about as slow as rifles get, and it can still be a dead hold to the end of the green field.
Do whatever you want man, I’m not trying to convert you, but recognize that a bullet and an arrow just aren’t the same. Bow hunting is harder for a reason.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:48 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I know what MPBR is man. All I was trying to say is I was ONLY talking ballistics not all that other stuff you were bringing into the conversation.
Trust me, you have zero bearing on what I will do this fall. Thanks for the discussion though..
Trust me, you have zero bearing on what I will do this fall. Thanks for the discussion though..
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:07 pm to TexasHand
I did about 3 years ago. 550 plus is great sitting 20 yards over a pile of corn.. I rarely hunt over a feeder. Personally I want 1 pin to 30 yards. I've had several shot opportunities that I missed because I was fumbling with a range finder. I knew the animals were within 30 yards but 10 inches of drop from 20 to 30 was too much to guess..
I think the biggest thing to achieve proper penetration is a well tuned bow and the proper broadhead.. I've had pass throughs on 250 lb + hogs with a razor sharp 2 blade head and a 400 grain arrow..
I watched the hunting publics last video with the ranch fairy testing arrows at 10 and 60 yards.. my 400 grain arrow had more kenitic energy and was 40 fps faster at 60 than their mid weight arrow.
Heavy probably has its place for low poundage short draw bows or elephant size game.
I think the biggest thing to achieve proper penetration is a well tuned bow and the proper broadhead.. I've had pass throughs on 250 lb + hogs with a razor sharp 2 blade head and a 400 grain arrow..
I watched the hunting publics last video with the ranch fairy testing arrows at 10 and 60 yards.. my 400 grain arrow had more kenitic energy and was 40 fps faster at 60 than their mid weight arrow.
Heavy probably has its place for low poundage short draw bows or elephant size game.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 4:36 pm to Farmtiger
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All I was trying to say is I was ONLY talking ballistics not all that other stuff you were bringing into the conversation.
The ballistics alone show why you can’t compare the two. “All the other stuff” just shows why it’s that much worse with a slower arrow.
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Trust me, you have zero bearing on what I will do this fall. Thanks for the discussion though..
Anytime bud
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:39 pm to GATORGAR247
Hmm i haven’t had those issues... but then again my draw is 31 inches and 67# draw and i shoot an EZV sight so i dont have the range finder issues, hell i dont even carry one anymore.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:43 pm to GATORGAR247
10 inches in 10 yards seems excessive.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:25 pm to TexasHand
Does it? Give it a try with a 600 grain or so arrow and see how it drops for you.
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