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.223 Ammo

Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:50 am
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4662 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:50 am
Anybody ever use this stuff? I found some available and was going to pick up a few boxes since there such an ammo shortage these days, but wanted to make sure it's not complete crap first.

Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4514 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:51 am to
Yes.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16581 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:53 am to
It tends to run dirtier and with a little less velocity but it should run fine in any mechanically sound rifle. Buy it, shoot it, and clean well afterwards.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30794 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:26 am to
Where are you finding this?
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4662 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 12:06 pm to
Academy.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25004 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 12:17 pm to
It is steel case, so no reloading if you are thinking about that at all.

Some people think that steel case will prematurely cause wear on your gun. If you shot thousands upon thousands of rounds that might be the case but for a normal amount of shooting (100-200 per month) you'll be fine with it.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
13350 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 12:31 pm to
It's better than nothing at all. At the end of the day, Tulammo goes bang when you pull the trigger. Just be sure to clean up your rifle a bit more thoroughly after shooting a bunch of it. And as a poster above said, the consensus is that stell is hard on an AR's internals, but if you don't shoot it constantly you'll be fine.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16581 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 12:37 pm to
Not as much steel case but that Russian-made ammo tends to be bi-metal (copper plated steel) jacketed. Even thin steel jacketing will resist the engraving force of the rifling more than copper and heat up more, resulting in more bore wear than copper jacketed. Solid copper bullets wear barrels out faster too for that matter. Not just Russian ammo either, Lake City M80 ball (7.62 NATO) is steel jacketed too.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
2932 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 1:47 pm to
I would only buy it for range or plinking, I have shot a good bit of it and the pistol ammo and it’s prolly 1-15 that misfire or ftf fte.
I would never trust it for self defense from skateboard wielding attackers.
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
17163 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 2:16 pm to
I find it leaves metal shavings in my chamber so I always clean it out after shooting.
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4662 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 2:46 pm to
Thanks for all the input everyone. I got 300 rounds for plinking (or the zombie apocalypse, if it happens before I can get better ammo). And it was only $29 for 100 rounds, which doesn't seem like too bad a price in this environment.
Posted by cdaniel76
Covington, LA
Member since Feb 2008
19699 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 3:51 pm to
There's three major negatives with steel case ammo, in my opinion.

1 - Premature wear on feed ramp and chamber. This isn't a HUUUUUGE issue unless you're someone who shoots 1000's of rounds a month.

2 - (the biggest issue in my opinion) - Not only is 223 lower pressure than 5.56, but steel case 223 is even lower pressure than brass 223. As a range officer at a very busy public range, whenever I work the rifle line, it never fails that I have to help shooters because their AR's are having trouble cycling due to the lower pressures. The most common issue is the bolt isn't blown back far enough for it to pick up the next round and chamber it.

3 - I see MANY MANY more jams with steel case and I believe this has to do with the polymer coating on the cases. Whether it's the heat or pressure or a combination of both, something causes the coating to stick to the inside of the chambers. The result of this is the spent case sticking in the chamber and the bolt not traveling back at all because the extractor is hooked on the rim of the case. This requires either removing the upper from the lower and using a flat-head screwdriver to "pry" the bolt to the rear or using a cleaning rod inserted from the muzzle and pushing the case and bolt out.

In my personal experience, I've found that applying a LOT of oil on the carrier group rails, the bolt seals, bolt lugs and even a drop on the 1st 2 rounds in each magazine allows steal case to cycle much better but the trade off is it gets pretty messy!

Something else that can be done is to install a lighter buffer tube spring and/or see if your gas block can be adjusted to allow more gas pressure back to the bolt.
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
23448 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 5:43 pm to
Solid write up
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16581 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

I see MANY MANY more jams with steel case and I believe this has to do with the polymer coating on the cases. Whether it's the heat or pressure or a combination of both, something causes the coating to stick to the inside of the chambers. The result of this is the spent case sticking in the chamber and the bolt not traveling back at all because the extractor is hooked on the rim of the case. This requires either removing the upper from the lower and using a flat-head screwdriver to "pry" the bolt to the rear or using a cleaning rod inserted from the muzzle and pushing the case and bolt out.


That's not due to any kind of coating, old wives tale there. Steel cases don't obdurate in the chamber like brass does, not as flexible nor as "springy" so it's slower to seal (meaning more propellant gas escapes around the case and chamber wall) and and slower to return to shape (and they don't return quite a much) as the pressure drops during the firing cycle. With AR's, especially those running lightweight BCG's and shorter gas systems, the extraction phase starts while the case is still trying to hold onto the chamber which will lead to a FTE. The better option is to run a heavier buffer or action spring as that will give more dwell time for the case to shrink and ease extraction (also need to be running the full Crane setup on the extractor too). Adding oil only hides the problem and causes excessive bolt-face thrust forces which can damage the bolt and cam pin.
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
3622 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 9:53 pm to
Couldn’t get it to focus too well, but I was trying to go through my last few Tula mags yesterday evening. Had to take a cleaning rod and a hammer to knock it out. First time it’s ever happened to me, spent casing was STUCK

This post was edited on 9/2/20 at 3:19 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48561 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:16 pm to
My Ruger 556 hated that stuff unless I just got a few bad boxes. Never had issues with any other ammo I fed through it.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3081 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:17 pm to
If you have a crappy AR then it might not make much difference other than the issues cited above.

The Russians make “sloppy” chambers to ensure their rifles cycle and are made to use cheap and plentiful steel ammo. Notice that almost all steel ammo comes out of Russia and Eastern Bloc countries.

Better ARs have tighter tolerances and are made for brass cases. There is a reason that steel ammo is not recommended in ARs. I’m not even sure it would be wise to shoot it in bolt guns.

Now, some of the Wolf Gold brass ammo is not bad ... but not great quality.

Keep looking.
Posted by MDB
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2019
3081 posts
Posted on 9/1/20 at 10:27 pm to
As for jams in .223/5.56 barrels/chambers, a gunsmith taught me to get a 3/16s brass rod from Lowe’s/Home Depot about 24 to 30 inches long. If careful, brass won’t scratch your bore like a cleaning rod might.

Plus, the brass rod is heavier and often just dropping it down the barrel will be enough to dislodge stuck cases. And I always bring a small ball peen hammer (or better yet a brass hammer) to the range.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11508 posts
Posted on 9/2/20 at 7:05 am to
The ammo is fine. If you don't have any buy it.
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