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Posted on 12/6/20 at 8:03 pm to CFDoc
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Every hour is critical now. And I’m not liking their chances at this point.
Yeah, it’s not looking good unfortunately. I think they would have been found by now if they were alive and on land. If they’re alive and on the move, there are too many people active in woods along the river right now for somebody to not run across them.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:28 pm to prostyleoffensetime
like i said earlier i hunt on the louisiana side right on the river on around 2000 acres directly across from port gibson. if those boys made it to shore the levee is not that far of a walk from the river. i walked from the river to the levee about a week ago when i was hunting. like you said there are too many people out there for them to not have stumbled across those boys or something belonging to them. it’s getting colder and wet and i hope the Lord has protected those boys because the last thing their mothers need is heartbreak during christmas time.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 11:44 pm to baldona
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Since they found the life jackets, I have a hard time believing they were hit by a barge. But who knows.
I’ve seen duck hunters taking boat rides with their waders on, no way would I want to drown with my waders filling up with water. I hope they were smart enough not to do that in a small boat on a mighty river.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:07 am to BayouNation
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I’ve seen duck hunters taking boat rides with their waders on, no way would I want to drown with my waders filling up with water. I hope they were smart enough not to do that in a small boat on a mighty river.
Waders full of water while submerged weigh nor more than they do empty on land...trying to climb out of the water with full waders is nearly impossible but, if you aren't unconscious when you go in the water waders are pretty good PFD's....they are also pretty good insulators against cold water...just pull you knees as close to you chest as you can and there will be a substantial amount of air trapped in them. If you unconscious though they will float you arse over tea kettle and keep you head near or under water.
Anyone who hunts out of boat with waders on should absolutely jump in the deep end of a swimming pool with waders on so they will know what they do when full of water....because when you ankles start upwards and your head starts downward you will panic likely and that ain't good. But if you know what to expect and tuck you knees into your chest they are like riding a semi inflated pool toy....not nearly as fun but the alternative is far worse....
Waders and boots will not drag you down like so many people believe...water weighs nothing in water...only when you start lifting it from its same level does weight factor in....
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:32 am to Gtmodawg
I’ve heard that you’ll float in waders as well. Not panicking after you and your hunting partner have been thrown overboard in the freezing cold with waders on is the hard part though.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:11 am to Tigerpaw123
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Were they found close to each other?
Were they in good shape? Although I could see them being hit by barge and loose life jackets still be in good shape
At this point I don’t have a clue what evidence is true, now that the dog wasn’t with them after all supposedly. Originally both life jackets were found and they were searching on land. To me that makes it seem like they found them together enough to make them believe they were taken off. If a boat is hit by a barge and shite goes everywhere I’d have to think the evidence would suggest that. Stuff getting beat up and likely recovered all spread out. But that’s just a potentially bad assumption.
If they didn’t have their dog, they certainly could have recovered downed birds with their boat. But if they had waders planning on getting in the water that limits the areas they were potentially hunting on the MR I’d assume.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:00 am to will1883
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I’ve heard that you’ll float in waders as well. Not panicking after you and your hunting partner have been thrown overboard in the freezing cold with waders on is the hard part though.
Hell I know I would panic and I have bailed off into the deep end of a swimming pool in a pair of waders and typical hunting garb a couple of times...but it does help to know that you can pretty much tread water and swim even with all that crap on. It won't alleviate the fact that flying through the dark and hitting cold arse water is a terrifying to contemplate, let alone experience, but it could help mitigate the initial panic...
My father and I rolled a 1240 jon boat with a 9.9 OB on it one evening in May in a shoal on the Chattahoochee River just north of Franklin, GA. It was nearly dark and one section of that shoal drops about 5 feet in 1000 or so feet and there is only one sure fire way through it....and I missed it and tried to correct, got broadside to the current and over we went....shite floating everywhere....it was very exciting for a couple of minutes to say the least....and we couldve been in real trouble if it had been in February when the crappie are up there and not May with the White Bass...I managed to swim the boat down and get it on a rock and drained, we hopped in and started chasing everything down....it was not fun.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:16 am to Gtmodawg
Had a friend flip pirogue in Venice 20 years ago or so. It was sketchy at first until I had him roll over onto his back and get his legs up. As soon as i got close to him he flipped over and tried to grab side of my pirogue and I hit him on head with paddle. Got him to the back and pulled him out channel to pond where he could stand up. Staying calm and knowing what to do is critical.
The bigger issue became keeping him warm until we made it back up river. It was late Dec and in low 40s and he didn't want to put waders back on for 20 mile ride back.
The bigger issue became keeping him warm until we made it back up river. It was late Dec and in low 40s and he didn't want to put waders back on for 20 mile ride back.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:49 am to Capt ST
I keep a dry bag with dry wool socks, pants, shirt and boxers - two sets. Always. Mitt warmers aren't a bad call either.
As for the waders, they stay in the wader bag when the boat is traveling.
Also - and I don't think that many hunters do this - but I always have a portable marine radio. Mobil phones are not reliable. They won't always have service and they don't mix well with water.
Hope the best for these two hunters and their families.
As for the waders, they stay in the wader bag when the boat is traveling.
Also - and I don't think that many hunters do this - but I always have a portable marine radio. Mobil phones are not reliable. They won't always have service and they don't mix well with water.
Hope the best for these two hunters and their families.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:02 am to LSUintheNW
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Is it not normal for y'all to have a trolling motor or "kicker"?
I never see a boat with a kicker up here. All I see on the MS River here is aluminum fishing boats with 40-115hp engines. Most double as duck hunting boats or bayou fishing boats. Also in the summer lots of pontoon boats and ski boats go on the Ms River to have parties on sandbars. I always laugh at idiots trying to cross the river in a big slow ragged out pontoon with a 25 on it. Current will take them a mile downstream then have to fight back north against it going like 3 mph
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:29 am to jimjackandjose
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wouldnt run the river in dark
Most scared I’ve ever been on the Ms River. Every year me and some friends have a tradition of going weekend camping on a sand bar in October when weather gets nice and mosquitoes die down and harvest season is over. We fish, cook on a campfire, and get sloppy drunk on whiskey for 2 days. Anyways first night on one of these trips I wake up at 3am to sound of thunder and my phone going off with a weather alert.
We had just gone to sleep drunk as frick an hour earlier. There was 0 chance of bad weather that weekend. I check radar and there’s one big random supercell with 60mph winds and hail bearing down on us. We have a 18ft Tracker camo aluminum boat with a 50. Brought 2 flashlights no spotlight. Boat was loaded down heavy with firewood. We tossed out all the wood to lighten the boat and took the camp down throwing shite in the boat without securing it. We are drunk, no lights, hauling arse down the river in pitch black using only lightning and a spotlight from a far off barge coming up river. Wind is howling, boat is too heavy with 3 guys and equipment for that choppy water and waves are crashing over the front. Got the bilge pump on and 2 of us bailing water with cups. Finally get off the river onto an oxbow lake where we launched. As soon as we got the boat on the trailer the storm hit. We are soaked, freezing cold, 2 hours from home it’s 5 am and we are still drunk. I’ve never been so thankful to be on land safe and a shoneys hot breakfast buffet never tasted so good
Picture from that fateful day as we headed out that morning
Posted on 12/7/20 at 12:10 pm to deltaland
If they had waders on and drowned their bodies would have never sank right? I guess only neoprene ones, if they were rubber or a one thing else maybe?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 1:42 pm to will1883
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I’ve heard that you’ll float in waders as well.
I can confirm this. Me and a buddy flipped my duck boat on a stump (16' jon with a 25 Johnson tiller) wearing waders with no life jacket in December 1995 on Felsenthal NWR. I was driving. Air temp was only about 45F but holy shite that water is cold when you hit it at 0430. First thing that happens is a huge air pocket forms around your pelvis and your feet start rising. As long as you don't freak out and flip upside down, you will be able to stay afloat. The problem is getting out of the water because at that point you are having to pull the weight of the water in those waders plus your water logged clothes out which is a little tough if you are trying to pull up on the gunnels on the under side of a jon boat.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:04 pm to MWP
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I’ve heard that you’ll float in waders as well.
I can confirm this. Me and a buddy flipped my duck boat on a stump (16' jon with a 25 Johnson tiller) wearing waders with no life jacket in December 1995 on Felsenthal NWR. I was driving. Air temp was only about 45F but holy shite that water is cold when you hit it at 0430. First thing that happens is a huge air pocket forms around your pelvis and your feet start rising. As long as you don't freak out and flip upside down, you will be able to stay afloat. The problem is getting out of the water because at that point you are having to pull the weight of the water in those waders plus your water logged clothes out which is a little tough if you are trying to pull up on the gunnels on the under side of a jon boat.
even if the waders fill with water, it doesn't make you sink, it also acts a little like a wet suit... from my personal experience.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:07 pm to will1883
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I’ve heard that you’ll float in waders as well. Not panicking after you and your hunting partner have been thrown overboard in the freezing cold with waders on is the hard part though.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:11 pm to MWP
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I can confirm this. Me and a buddy flipped my duck boat on a stump (16' jon with a 25 Johnson tiller) wearing waders with no life jacket in December 1995 on Felsenthal NWR. I was driving. Air temp was only about 45F but holy shite that water is cold when you hit it at 0430. First thing that happens is a huge air pocket forms around your pelvis and your feet start rising. As long as you don't freak out and flip upside down, you will be able to stay afloat. The problem is getting out of the water because at that point you are having to pull the weight of the water in those waders plus your water logged clothes out which is a little tough if you are trying to pull up on the gunnels on the under side of a jon boat.
It is also a good idea to get out of a boat in water deeper than you are tall, under controlled conditions, in warm weather of course, and try to reboard ANY boat without a ladder over the side....it is damned difficult. Consider that almost all bodies of water have some current and the boat sitting on the surface will be moving faster than a body under the water and the boat will most likely scoot away from you as you leave it and you will be submerged for a bit and likely disoriented and you will see that falling out of a boat is damned dangerous even under controlled conditions. Its funny as hell when it doesn't end tragically but it does end so all too often...
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:17 pm to choupiquesushi
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even if the waders fill with water, it doesn't make you sink, it also acts a little like a wet suit...
I think neoprenes are another story all together though. My buddy and I were both wearing old school Hodgeman's at the time of our Charlie Foxtrot. I doubt you would get an air pocket with neoprenes on. I bet you would sink like a rock with those on.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:51 pm to MWP
quote:nope... it's a wive's tale.. LINK
I think neoprenes are another story all together though. My buddy and I were both wearing old school Hodgeman's at the time of our Charlie Foxtrot. I doubt you would get an air pocket with neoprenes on. I bet you would sink like a rock with those on.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:00 pm to choupiquesushi
Correct. Neoprene is buoyant. If you have on a neoprene wetsuit and try to dive down you will have difficulty. Will need a weight belt to did so. Same with waders
If you fill your waders with water nothing changes as water will not float or sink in water. It’s the same thing
If you fill your waders with water nothing changes as water will not float or sink in water. It’s the same thing
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