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re: $12,000 Reward for Information Regarding the Whereabouts of an Ivory Billed Woodpecker
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:42 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:42 pm to choupiquesushi
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Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:54 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Let it fly, bro!
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Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:55 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:I don't think liar is the only possibility. It's just one possibility. The other is, you really can't accurately identify things. It's a problem with a lot of people. It's been proven here time and time again. Identifying critters and plants is one of my favorite things to do. If I am good at anything, it's that.
AlxTgr, while I'm not keen on being called a liar
quote:Uh, no. It's rooted in hard science. If there were sufficient numbers for the species to be viable, someone would have seen one. No one has. No, you have not seen one, ever.
In my opinion, the "Ivory-bill is extinct because nobody has photographed it since 1938" perspective is rooted in ignorance about the nature of the Ivory-bill and the habitat in which it is most likely to be encountered: thick, old growth, bottomland forests.
quote:This makes zero sense. It's awfully convenient for you as well.
The amount of "effort" it takes to find Ivory-bills is much greater than that with most other birds.
Look, no one wants the bird to still exist more than i do. I am sad they are gone.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 1:58 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Unfortunately at this time, this is my belief as well. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but....... at some point these birds would have appeared on one of the many remote cameras set out for them.
Look, no one wants the bird to still exist more than i do. I am sad they are gone.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 6:41 pm to White Bear
Posted on 3/3/20 at 7:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
They aren’t ninjas only staying in the shadows in the night. I mean you keep acting like the only time to take a picture of a bird is on a nest, and that’s just absurd. Not allowing someone within 200 yards is absurd. What about game cameras?
What are the reasons they are extinct or close to it? I understand loss of habitat hurting their numbers but that’s not a reason to go extinct.
What are the reasons they are extinct or close to it? I understand loss of habitat hurting their numbers but that’s not a reason to go extinct.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 7:09 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I have really enjoyed this discussion---whether or not we have agreed about the Ivory-bill. Really I just wanted to announce our search to those who are interested. Unlike other Ivory-bill searches which I have been a part of, this will be a systematic, state-wide search that actively involves the public.
Some have made comments about identification problems. To help with that, I have attached a link that distinguishes the Ivory-bill from possible confusion species. In flight, it is not hard to tell an Ivory-bill from a Pileated. Aside from the pattern differences, the Ivory-bill has the flight profile of an arrow, whereas the Pileated flies almost like a butterfly. The Ivory-bill flies like a Pintail. Any competent duck hunter would immediately recognize the unique-for-a-woodpecker flying style of the Ivory-bill. For anyone familiar with Pileateds, there will be no doubt when you see a flying Ivory-bill that it is totally different from a Pileated.
Ivory-billed Woodpecker comparison chart
Some have made comments about identification problems. To help with that, I have attached a link that distinguishes the Ivory-bill from possible confusion species. In flight, it is not hard to tell an Ivory-bill from a Pileated. Aside from the pattern differences, the Ivory-bill has the flight profile of an arrow, whereas the Pileated flies almost like a butterfly. The Ivory-bill flies like a Pintail. Any competent duck hunter would immediately recognize the unique-for-a-woodpecker flying style of the Ivory-bill. For anyone familiar with Pileateds, there will be no doubt when you see a flying Ivory-bill that it is totally different from a Pileated.
Ivory-billed Woodpecker comparison chart
Posted on 3/3/20 at 7:39 pm to baldona
The point of the nest is that that is the only time you can predict where an Ivory-bill will be. I have already explained this up thread, but I will ask you, do YOU know of a clear photo of an Ivory-bill where the nest cavity had not been found?
I have been researching the Ivory-bill on and off for fifty years. How much research have you done?
I appreciate that you and many on here don't agree with me. That's the best part of a discussion board.
Other than that there is enough smoke regarding the Ivory-bill to justify a better search, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. As stated elsewhere, the prospect of a search won't appeal to everyone. That's okay with me.
I have been researching the Ivory-bill on and off for fifty years. How much research have you done?
I appreciate that you and many on here don't agree with me. That's the best part of a discussion board.
Other than that there is enough smoke regarding the Ivory-bill to justify a better search, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. As stated elsewhere, the prospect of a search won't appeal to everyone. That's okay with me.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 7:42 pm to choupiquesushi
I hope he has good luck!
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:16 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Thx. These are some of the ones I was thinking of, more pics of the forest, etc. than the birds. Singer Tract Photos.
This monster red gum is one pic I remembered.
This monster red gum is one pic I remembered.
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Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:41 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Thanks for the info on the different flight patterns. Is there a documented video of one in flight? I think it is smart to include the public. There are a lot of folks that spend a ton of time in these areas many months out of the year. I am not trying to be a dick but I knew there had been a ton of time put into the AR project that didn't turn up any real legitimate leads. Where is the funding for this LA project coming from?
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:54 pm to Vlad
There is a video on YouTube of an Imperial Woodpecker in flight. It is very similar to the Ivory-bill. There was a brief film of one of the Singer Tract Ivory-bills flying out of the nest. I will see if I can find it and post a link tomorrow.
As for the funding, nothing dickish at all about your question. I agree with you that there was very little bang for the buck in Arkansas. Our search is completely self-funded. So other than eating into our pizza money, no important funds are being diverted.
As for the funding, nothing dickish at all about your question. I agree with you that there was very little bang for the buck in Arkansas. Our search is completely self-funded. So other than eating into our pizza money, no important funds are being diverted.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:07 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Matt, if I see one I will let you know. I’m in the ms delta and guide hunts. It’s doubtful that I actually “believe” I actually see one, but I am in mature timber (hardwood/sloughs) on a regular basis.
What I want to know is, what bird makes “whooping” sounds? This bird has been blowing my mind. I can’t see the actual bird, but I hear it in the spring. If the OB has an idea pls let me know. I heard it today, and I am stumped on what it could be. It has become my bane in my ornithological mind. Please help.
Edit: I edited just so y’all know how bad this is bothering me. I feel less of an outdoorsman because this bird is duping me.
What I want to know is, what bird makes “whooping” sounds? This bird has been blowing my mind. I can’t see the actual bird, but I hear it in the spring. If the OB has an idea pls let me know. I heard it today, and I am stumped on what it could be. It has become my bane in my ornithological mind. Please help.
Edit: I edited just so y’all know how bad this is bothering me. I feel less of an outdoorsman because this bird is duping me.
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Posted on 3/3/20 at 10:00 pm to Outdoorreb
Can you be more specific describing the call? What time of day?
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Posted on 3/3/20 at 10:01 pm to Vlad
quote:
Do you have any knowledge of the Arkansas birds a few years back? As far as what their findings were?
I do. Wasn't an IB in the video. At the time I was elated. Saw the video and was not able to confirm to myself that it was IB. But what do i know. So I believed... surely these professionals could see what I couldnt. Sadly, nope. Other experts said not IB and even more simply held their tongue.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 10:25 pm to White Bear
Very cool pics in that link.
Posted on 3/4/20 at 6:45 am to White Bear
Mostly in the afternoon, but I have heard it in the the middle of the day.
It’s usually 3 “who’s” maybe. First is slow the the next couple quicker.
It’s always around bodies of water
It’s usually 3 “who’s” maybe. First is slow the the next couple quicker.
It’s always around bodies of water
Posted on 3/4/20 at 7:14 am to Outdoorreb
Posted on 3/4/20 at 7:22 am to Ron Cheramie
Nah, it’s more of a whooping sound. Not any kind of “growl” type noise.
Neither of those
Neither of those
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