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re: WSJ: The 7Yr Auto Loan: America’s Middle Class Can’t Afford Cars. BONUS: New Iberia HC???

Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:54 pm to
it's the opening to the dave ramsey show
Posted by 2tigergo
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:56 pm to
Another huge thing that's being overlooked with a 84 month loan, is that most warranties are good for less than half of the loan. The owner is then on the hook for not only regular maintenance, but all repairs that will be needed. Cost of ownership relative to income can go up significantly in the last years of the loan.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:56 pm to
Definitely now some people take it to an extreme but the man speaks a lot of truth. People go through their life hating their job or whatever and can’t do anything about it because their paycheck belongs to ford motor, Wells Fargo and American Express on October 1st. Closest I have been was a short time with just a reasonable monthly bill for an apartment and it was incredible
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:57 pm to
If I’m going to do a 7 year loan it’ll be for something better than an Accord
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:57 pm to


Makes sense
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:58 pm to
My question is how does this guy get a 1.9% APR?

My wife and I have excellent credit, good income, we are not over extended in debt and have both been with our employers over 10 years.

We’ve gotten 3% to 3.5% on our last two car purchases.

How is this a-hole getting 1.9%?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:58 pm to
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"...debt is dumb cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice...."


This sounds great if you are financially illiterate.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:58 pm to
Reading this thread is making my palms sweaty. I thought everyone figured out long ago that financing a depreciating asset isn't the best idea.

Can anyone explain the psychology behind the need/desire to be seen in a shiny new vehicle? I understand car enthusiasts and their hobby, but the average Joe just uses his car as an appliance for getting from A to B.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:59 pm to
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My question is how does this guy get a 1.9% APR?

My wife and I have excellent credit, good income, we are not over extended in debt and have both been with our employers over 10 years.

We’ve gotten 3% to 3.5% on our last two car purchases.

How is this a-hole getting 1.9%?


Your credit isn't as excellent as you think if you're not getting less than 3% on a vehicle purchase, or more likely you're just taking whatever the dealer offers and not shopping for independent financing.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:01 pm to
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This sounds great if you are financially illiterate


I guess the private jet debt free multimillionaire with a national radio show about finance is illiterate
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:04 pm to
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a 7-year loan if you plan to keep the car for the life of the loan, and you pay more than the monthly payment each month. Last car I financed I did for 6 years, but paid it off in just under 3. That was 8 years ago and we still have the car.

A lot of people don't do either of those things though.


Story said kid got a 1.9 percent interest rate.

Cars these days are built to last 10 years or longer, with hopefully no major issues until 100K or more miles.

15K miles a year = 105K miles after 7 years. So you pay for a car for 7 years, and in years 8-10 you pay for repairs and savings for down payment for new car.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:06 pm to
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I guess the private jet debt free multimillionaire with a national radio show about finance is illiterate



If you think Dave Ramsey follows the stuff he tells the masses
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:10 pm to
My honest opinion when walking onto a car dealership lot...

I'd rather get another colonoscopy. They are both expensive, involve a lot of shite and stick things up your a-hole.

To me, a car is a vehicle that gets me from home to work. That said, my 2002 Toyota Tundra is still running like a champ.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:10 pm to
Dave Ramsey's advice is perfectly fine for people who have debt problems or have zero financial education.


Not optimal beyond that. Debt is fine and paying your house off early is generally speaking a very inefficient use of capital.
Posted by LSU0358
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:13 pm to
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debt problems or have zero financial education


This is 50%+ of the US population.
Posted by Warheel
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:14 pm to
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Sure the middle class can afford cars. But their taste is higher than their wallet. It seems people believe you should buy as much as they'll let you


I remember trying to buy a new truck when I was 23-24 years old. Turns out the model I wanted was over my budget. The salesman said to me, “son, you’re looking at too much truck”. It made my mad and I left. Turns out that man has saved me many dollars throughout the years.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:15 pm to
I'd be willing to bet dave ramsey pays cash for most everything. does he follow his snowball/cash envelope plan? nah.

but the point is, the guy in the story here would greatly benefit from doing Dave's plan

all we have is a mortgage, the wife and I paid off $72,000 of student loans within 3 years of graduating college because of the Dave Ramsey plan... and we were not exactly killin' it at that point.



Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:16 pm to
yeah I'll agree there. unless you can definitely project to pay off your house in 7-10yrs,(maybe less) just pay the minimum and move on.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:41 pm to
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Can anyone explain the psychology behind the need/desire to be seen in a shiny new vehicle?


Trophy wife's need to trophy wife is one. All girls are princess is another. The guy with the coolest toys is the coolest is another.

Your not paying attention if you think our culture values conservative used vehicles over flashy.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:44 pm to
Ok so how is this anyone else’s fault besides Mr Jones’s?
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