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re: WSJ/NYT - US & Israel Strike Tehran
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:39 pm to Chuck Barris
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:39 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:
If we'd never believe anything Iran says, then what was the point of negotiating in the first place?
Give someone enough rope to hang themselves with.
Knowing the other side of the table is never going to concede key points, because they haven't for 50 years, isn't negotiating in bad faith. You have to give them opportunity if you are going to go to all the rest of the world leaders. Have to show them all the data.
Have you tried negotiating these concessions?
Yep. Here is the proof they will not concede.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 3:40 pm
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:41 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:
If we'd never believe anything Iran says, then what was the point of negotiating in the first place?
Because Iran is used to getting what they want in negotiations from the US with the past presidents not having the balls to strike they figured they could do the same.
They thought the negotiations were working and trump was bluffing.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:44 pm to beerJeep
quote:
They thought the negotiations were working and trump was bluffing.
I think the “TACO” criticisms and the Nobel Peace Prize looms large in the decision process for DJT
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:46 pm to jchamil
quote:Why?
You’ve got to at least try to negotiate
What's the point if a negotiation if you already believe that the other party won't honor any agreement that you reach?
There are only two possible scenarios:
1. We went into this knowing that negotiating with Iran was pointless, in which case we weren't actually trying to find a non-military solution, the negotiations were a smokescreen done in bad faith, and Trump lied about their purpose.
2. We went into this thinking that a negotiation could lead to a non-military solution, which means we believed that an agreement with Iran could be reached and maintained that would satisfy both parties, and Trump was telling the truth this whole time.
Now, which one do you think is more likely?
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:48 pm to Chuck Barris
This:
Does not mean:
quote:
We went into this knowing that negotiating with Iran was pointless
Does not mean:
quote:
in which case we weren't actually trying to find a non-military solution
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:51 pm to fightin tigers
quote:This would mean that the Omani minister, who is in a better position to be informed about what actually happened than almost anyone else and is playing the role of a neutral party, lied to CBS yesterday about how the negotiations were going.
Have you tried negotiating these concessions?
Yep. Here is the proof they will not concede.
Why do you think he would do that?
Or, is it more likely that the US went into these negotiations with no intent to accept any deal?
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:53 pm to Chuck Barris
I think it’s likely we went into the negotiations knowing there was a very narrow and likely impossible set of circumstances- but gave it an earnest shot to see if anything would shake loose (while preparing for war).
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:55 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:
What's the point if a negotiation if you already believe that the other party won't honor any agreement that you reach?
To show the rest of the world you tried. This really isn’t that hard
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:56 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:
Why do you think he would do that?
Because his job is to secure an agreement not decide when negotiations are over. He will always see a path to an agreement, that is what he is there for.
quote:
Or, is it more likely that the US went into these negotiations with no intent to accept any deal?
It isn't either/or with those two options. US was will to accept the concessions laid out. Iran went home and came back and didn't agree to them. But said they will go home and come back and then maybe agree. So really Iran didn't do anything from the first time they left to the second time they left.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:57 pm to fightin tigers
quote:depends on
Does not mean:
quote:
in which case we weren't actually trying to find a non-military solution
If he was actually trying to find a non-military solution.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:02 pm to awestruck
There is always a question if there was a diplomatic out.
America and allies laid out demands and Iran publically said they were non-starters as late as yesterday.
America and allies laid out demands and Iran publically said they were non-starters as late as yesterday.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:15 pm to fightin tigers
quote:He needs to control the rhetoric otherwise it becomes all about him.
There is always a question if there was a diplomatic out.
America and allies laid out demands and Iran publically said they were non-starters as late as yesterday.
And the question is, "who was negotiating on good faith"?
Because there's a reason for the constant race to Greenland, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, SOCTUS, tariffs, just anything but answer questions in a place where lying costs you dearly.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:18 pm to AHM21
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Believe all women!
Black Lives Matter!
No kings!
Ice out!
Same clowns, different slogans. All have one thing in common…Orange man is President. Orange man bad.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:21 pm to Eighteen
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:23 pm to awestruck
quote:
He needs to control the rhetoric otherwise it becomes all about him
That sounds outside of his ability
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:26 pm to Pettifogger
Does anyone know what time Trump will be making his speech about how awesome we are tonight? I'm already getting goosebumps in anticipation of it.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:26 pm to Eighteen
Curious what they think of the Iranian Americans celebrating in Los Angeles right now.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:27 pm to HarryHoudini
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:30 pm to Eighteen
quote:
Believe all women!
Black Lives Matter!
No kings!
Ice out!
Same clowns, different slogans. All have one thing in common…Orange man is President. Orange man bad.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 4:31 pm to TheOcean
quote:We had a deal with them with inspections and we pulled out.
We're supposed to believe Iran? Haven't then been reneging/lying for decades?
I don't remember any other deal. Israel has just been accusing them of building nukes going on 3+ decades.
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