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re: WSJ/NYT - US & Israel Strike Tehran

Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:11 pm to
He also committed genocide and invaded another country if you want to give his full resume.
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
9071 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:13 pm to
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He also committed genocide and invaded another country if you want to give his full resume.


I think it’s been enough time to admit Iraq was a bad decision for us to get involved with
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3149 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:15 pm to
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They had no intention of budging.
That's not what the negotiators said yesterday: LINK
quote:

MARGARET BRENNAN: So President Trump said Friday he's not happy with the way talks are going, and not happy that they're "not willing to give us what we have to have." From your point of view, is diplomacy failing?
 
MINISTER ALBUSAIDI: I am confident, and in my assessment of the way the talks are going, I think there is, really I can see that the peace deal is within our reach. 

[...]

MARGARET BRENNAN: What has Iran agreed to, to you, that they have never done before? Can you give us any sense?

MINISTER ALBUSAIDI: The single most important achievement, I believe, is the agreement that Iran will never, ever have a nuclear material that will create a bomb. This is, I think, a big achievement. This is something that is not in the old deal that was negotiated during President Obama's time. This is something completely new. It really makes the enrichment argument less relevant, because now we are talking about zero stockpiling. And that is very, very important, because if you cannot stockpile material that is enriched then there is no way you can actually create a bomb, whether you enrich or don't enrich. And I think this is really something that has been missed a lot by the media, and I want to clarify that from the standpoint of a mediator.

He goes on to detail other Iranian concessions.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 3:15 pm
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:15 pm to
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Yea no shite
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:15 pm to
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He also committed genocide and invaded another country if you want to give his full resume.


Do you recall our first female Secretary of State giving an interview in which she defended the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives in Iraq due to our sanctions?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78357 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:16 pm to
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I think it’s been enough time to admit Iraq was a bad decision for us to get involved with


Both can be true
Posted by MSUDawg98
Bear the F Down
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:18 pm to
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Everything was put in play 2 weeks ago. US and Israel met with everyone leading up to Iran coming empty handed to the nuke negotiations.
If you were paying attention on Tuesday night there was a brief moment where they flashed to Caine and you knew something was imminent by his reaction to what Trump had just said.

Here's the problem with taking out the top leadership. Even the CIA is admitting they don't know what to expect with the leadership vacuum that has been created. We didn't exactly hit it out of the park in Afghanistan.

This also adds another wrinkle to the Russia-Ukraine war. Putin has claimed he wants Ukraine as a buffer between Russia and NATO. This gives him the opportunity to argue his concern is valid. I think that's why you're going to hear nothing but silence from the EU about this.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:21 pm to
We're supposed to believe Iran? Haven't then been reneging/lying for decades?
Posted by redneck hippie
Oklahoma
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:21 pm to
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They hate us for our freedom right?


I’m assuming most of these MAGA dudes were either too young, or not born yet, to enjoy the taste of freedom fries.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78357 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:22 pm to
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That's not what the negotiators said yesterday: LI


Two weeks ago was the same thing. If Iran was ready to concede they would have.

But yeah, they seemed trustworthy so far in all their previous negotiations. No reason not to trust them. Not like they have been in violation of the previous agreements they have signed.
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:25 pm to
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freedom fries.
a Fox news original they held Bush's hand lying us into Iraq and slammed any country like France who didn't wanna get involved in that lie.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87299 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:29 pm to
Apparently F35s have taken out a number of migs

Keep the F22s in your prayers as their suffering continues
Posted by RIPMachoMan
Member since Jun 2011
9071 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:29 pm to
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freedom fries


It’s sad this was a real thing
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42076 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:30 pm to
Imagine believing there's a Deep State while simultaneously shilling for never-ending war in the Middle East on behalf of Likud. You've become the source of your own problems.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78357 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:32 pm to
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Here's the problem with taking out the top leadership. Even the CIA is admitting they don't know what to expect with the leadership vacuum that has been created. We didn't exactly hit it out of the park in Afghanistan.


Reading the Sunni v Shia conflict just seems like there will be another round of ethnic cleansing.

It seems a lot of sunshine pumpers are seeing some democracy form and pics of Iranian girls in bikinis again. That's a long way from a religious theocracy.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:32 pm to
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Here's the problem with taking out the top leadership. Even the CIA is admitting they don't know what to expect with the leadership vacuum that has been created.
And the people dancing in the streets of Tehran just openly documented their opposition to the Republican Guard.

Who are not operating in a vacuum and just got generational reinforcement from the attacking great Satan. And while many happy *are with our at the present moment air power the RG only needs small arms and boots on the ground to remain in control.

It's still very much a wait and see if these guys stay in power or become terrorist who just lost their country.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 3:36 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78357 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:33 pm to
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Keep the F22s in your prayers as their suffering continues


Poor little fellas never get to play.

Imagine being so good at your job you never get to do it.
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3149 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:35 pm to
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We're supposed to believe Iran? Haven't then been reneging/lying for decades?
If we'd never believe anything Iran says, then what was the point of negotiating in the first place?

We were either negotiating to try to find a non-military solution (as Donald Trump claimed), which implies that we were prepared to believe them about something, or we were negotiating in bad faith, which means that Trump lied to us all and we were going to war regardless of what took place.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19468 posts
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:36 pm to
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If we'd never believe anything Iran says, then what was the point of negotiating in the first place?


You’ve got to at least try to negotiate
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