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re: Would you support School Choice in your state?

Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:06 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:06 pm to
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So if the schools aren't supported by tax dollars, where does the money come from?
They are supported by tax dollars, but the amount each individual pays towards those schools is dwarfed by what they would be handed. Hence, a handout of monies they did not pay. If you have 3 kids you could potentially receive $390,000.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:06 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
6414 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:10 pm to
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the state money is to go to state provided schools, if you want something else, that’s on you


And what if that state money lets you take your kid from crappy state school to really good state school or state magnet school?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21453 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:18 pm to
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They are supported by tax dollars, but the amount each individual pays towards those schools is dwarfed by what they would be handed. Hence, a handout of monies they did not pay. If you have 3 kids you could potentially receive $390,000.


You'll have to pardon me if I am scratching my head here.

We have our current system, in which we take our tax dollars and give it to the govt, and in return our govt then redistributes those dollars to your school district where they dictate a school (where they have to follow govt rules and procedures) for every school age kid to go to... Is not socialism. However, if you get to choose where those tax dollars go... Is socialism?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75338 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:21 pm to
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 if you get to choose where those tax dollars go... Is socialism?
If it allows you to attend a private school that you normally couldn't afford, yes, it's socialism. If you just want to move about the public school districts to find a better one, have at it.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79239 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:25 pm to
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If it allows you to attend a private school that you normally couldn't afford, yes, it's socialism. If you just want to move about the public school districts to find a better one, have at it.


I don't think you understand socialism
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75338 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:25 pm to
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I don't think you understand socialism
Oh, okay.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:28 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21453 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:26 pm to
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If it allows you to attend a private school that you normally couldn't afford, yes, it's socialism. If you just want to move about the public school districts to find a better one, have at it.


Maybe it's just me living in a blue state, but to me finding competition for govt run schools is a good thing. You couldn't pay me enough to send my kids to a public school, and I fail to see the benefit in making parents pay tuition and taxes to the local school district which fund terribly performing schools regardless of how they perform.

The real socialism is taxing parents who send their kids to private schools because the public schools are awful.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
83598 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 8:40 pm to
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And what if that state money lets you take your kid from crappy state school to really good state school or state magnet school


sounds like that’s the current system?
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8423 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:38 pm to
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Texas recently passed a school voucher plan that will essentially provide an annual payment of $8 - $10k from the state
no, it won’t.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102553 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:09 pm to
Yes, if you want better schools, choose to move to a better area.
Posted by Lou Loomis
A pond. Ponds good for you.
Member since Mar 2025
254 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:16 pm to
You mean modern day bussing? Hell no!
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10450 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:17 pm to
I support parents actually raising and teaching their children manners, respect, and the importance of hard work and education.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40492 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:19 pm to
Nope
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5094 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:24 pm to
It also helps homeschoolers. I’m thankful that Arkansas is doing this. It’s going to help our family a great deal. It will still be a tiny fraction of what the government pays for a child’s education.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15802 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:25 pm to
No
Posted by TheDonald
Washington DC
Member since Dec 2024
275 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:40 am to
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If there were no private schools, all the public schools wouldn't suck, would they?

Makes you think


Sure does. Maybe it’s the raw material that sucks, not the schools.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24854 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:44 am to
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The largest benefactor seems to be families who could already afford to send their kids to private school. Feels like a subsidy for the rich


So this feels like a “subsidy” for those who actually pay taxes?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
39955 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:24 am to
The School Staffing Surge: Decades of Employment Growth in America's Public Schools. Part II

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America's K-12 public education system has experienced tremendous historical growth in employment, according to the U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics. Between fiscal year (FY) 1950 and FY 2009, the number of K-12 public school students in the United States increased by 96 percent, while the number of full-time equivalent (FTE) school employees grew 386 percent. Public schools grew staffing at a rate four times faster than the increase in students over that time period. Of those personnel, teachers' numbers increased 252 percent, while administrators and other non-teaching staff experienced growth of 702 percent, more than seven times the increase in students. That hiring pattern has persisted in more recent years as well. Between FY 1992 and FY 2009, the number of K-12 public school students nationwide grew 17 percent, while the number of FTE school employees increased 39 percent. Among school personnel, teachers' staffing numbers rose 32 percent, while administrators and other non-teaching staff experienced growth of 46 percent, 2.3 times greater than the increase in students over that 18-year period; the growth in the number of teachers was almost twice that of students.


On a Per-Student Basis, School Staffing Levels Are Hitting All-Time Highs

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When the first Baby Boomers started attending public schools in the 1950s, a typical American school district employed about 58 workers for every 1,000 students enrolled. By the time Millennials like myself attended school in the 1990s, schools employed twice as many adults to serve the same number of students. In the 2020-21 school year, staffing levels hit all-time highs, and the typical public school district employed 135 people for every 1,000 students it served.

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
39955 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:27 am to
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Cultural Emphasis: Top countries embed education in cultural values (e.g., South Korea’s competitiveness, Finland’s equity). The USA’s focus on individualism and extracurriculars can dilute academic rigor.


frick this. America’s individualism is what makes us unique around the world and is why we are such an entrepreneurial people.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
7904 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:32 am to
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this feels like a “subsidy” for those who actually pay taxes?


In a state where there’s no income tax yes.

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