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re: Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:35 am to shel311
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:35 am to shel311
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I think the OP replied stating the person was working that extra 5 minutes he showed up early for.
If that's the case, it's only a problem if OP is up against a very tight labor and OT budget. Some business run razor thin margins.
Shouldn't really be an issue at all if the employee is actually working and not going into OT.
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:40 am to PearlJam
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or Jim the whistleblower, etc.
If you fire the whistleblower, you do it with the foreknowledge that you WILL be sued, and you WILL lose. I think that one's a given.
As far as the others go, if you're ever going to fire someone in a protected class (a woman, a racial/ethnic minority, or a person over 50), always document everything.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:49 am to wazoo11
Thank god I'm on the sales side of the house. Nitpicking over 5 minutes sounds awful.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:05 pm to meansonny
quote:/100%
Clocking in early and working during that time is perfectly ok.
Having another employee punch the clock for you 5 minutes before you arrive should be a fireable offense.
Clocking in early and getting overtime (i.e. they have to stay at their station until a certain time) should get warnings.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:08 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:There's definitely other issues, not just OT IMO.
If that's the case, it's only a problem if OP is up against a very tight labor and OT budget. Some business run razor thin margins.
Shouldn't really be an issue at all if the employee is actually working and not going into OT.
A team that used to report to me basically worked 7a-730p(30 minute lunch) and 7p-730a. Well the day shift person would come in at 0630 so they could leave right at 7p when the night shift person arrived. But nothing is really going on at 0630, where as the 7p-730p slot is busier, so it's more important to have that person stay later and clock in on time as opposed to clocking in 30 minutes earlier when nothing is really going on just so they could leave early.
There's more factors than just OT.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:14 pm to wazoo11
clocking in 5 minutes early doesn't necessarily mean they are paid for those 5 minutes...our shop clocks in and some clock in 30-45 min before their shift but don't get paid until their shift begins
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:17 pm to wazoo11
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Would you fire an employee purposely clocking in five minutes early?
Our bosses are telling us to "be mindful" of the overtime. They don't seem to notice the employee who comes in an hour late, leaves 30 minutes early, takes long lunches and 10 smoke breaks a day. But, I guess she's not getting any OT, so there's that.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:20 pm to Topwater Trout
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our shop clocks in and some clock in 30-45 min before their shift but don't get paid until their shift begins
That could be a problem if they are working during that time and are non-exempt.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 1:11 pm to wazoo11
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clocking in fire minutes early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 1:12 pm to NoHoTiger
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They don't seem to notice the employee who comes in an hour late, leaves 30 minutes early, takes long lunches and 10 smoke breaks a day. But, I guess she's not getting any OT, so there's that.
is her work getting done ?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 1:35 pm to wazoo11
I thought that 5 minutes early was late!
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:47 pm to JustSmokin
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That could be a problem if they are working during that time and are non-exempt.
They aren't...they come in and just sit and eat breakfast while reading the paper. It's a fab shop so grinding while others aren't working and wearing protection would not be tolerated. some people love to get to work 30-45 min early
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:50 pm to wazoo11
Our app rounds to the nearest 15 minutes anyway. As long as its 5 minutes early and not 8 minutes, knock yourself out. 
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:56 pm to fr33manator
A) If it bothered me I would talk to him
B) I would not mind if he was working
C) If our employees clock in more than 5 minutes the system automatically rolls it up.
B) I would not mind if he was working
C) If our employees clock in more than 5 minutes the system automatically rolls it up.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 3:01 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
If you are clocking in early doesn’t that mean that you are early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 3:57 pm to manshipbk
quote:Yes, but there's such a thing as clocking in too early.
If you are clocking in early doesn’t that mean that you are early?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 4:25 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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You charge them for coffee too ?
He probably times their bathroom breaks too.
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