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re: Would you be in favor of Soviet style justice if there is ZERO doubt of guilt?
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
Desperate times call for desperate measures... I believe the tiny percentage of innocent people executed in this style of system would be well worth it for overall society because it would actually save way more innocent lives in the long run.
I will go one step further and say we should bring back public executions via town hangings and guillotines for violent murderers, pedophiles, and rapists who without question performed their crime with absolute intent to do so. Questionable self defense, drunk drivers, or sexual acts that have reasonable cause to believe the victim didn't play a part in the crime to possibly put themselves in harms way would not apply. I'm talking about criminals who performed their crimes with the preconceived intent for a desired outcome, which includes car jackers or robbers who use a deadly weapon or force to perform their crime, even though they didn't have intent to actually use it. No innocent person minding their own business deserves to have deadly weapon pulled on them, period end of story.
Execution's should be a few days after crime at most, not 20 years of wasting millions of tax payer dollars housing and feeding these animals. Do this and crime will go down to likes of which no one would believe was possible.
I will go one step further and say we should bring back public executions via town hangings and guillotines for violent murderers, pedophiles, and rapists who without question performed their crime with absolute intent to do so. Questionable self defense, drunk drivers, or sexual acts that have reasonable cause to believe the victim didn't play a part in the crime to possibly put themselves in harms way would not apply. I'm talking about criminals who performed their crimes with the preconceived intent for a desired outcome, which includes car jackers or robbers who use a deadly weapon or force to perform their crime, even though they didn't have intent to actually use it. No innocent person minding their own business deserves to have deadly weapon pulled on them, period end of story.
Execution's should be a few days after crime at most, not 20 years of wasting millions of tax payer dollars housing and feeding these animals. Do this and crime will go down to likes of which no one would believe was possible.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:57 am to member12
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The US government already persecutes political enemies here. Hell they’ve probably assassinated some of them.
Probably? The CIA alone has whacked more people than the Mob ever dreamed of.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:57 am to Eli Goldfinger
For some crimes, yes. Right away.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:00 am to Eli Goldfinger
Describe zero doubt of guilt and the crime you are dispatching them for. Are there mitigating factors that are taken into consideration that could change the sentence?
No, I'll stick with our flawed system over any system that decides they know the answer without any deliberation.
No, I'll stick with our flawed system over any system that decides they know the answer without any deliberation.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:02 am to mdomingue
Something along the lines of indisputable video evidence.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:09 am to Eli Goldfinger
this was covered in a Kurt Vonnegut novel.
the giant blade you ride down and be rent asunder.
I'm partial to public hangings.
designing a culture that doesn't produce poverty and hopelessness is a more humane society.
the giant blade you ride down and be rent asunder.
I'm partial to public hangings.
designing a culture that doesn't produce poverty and hopelessness is a more humane society.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:23 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Something along the lines of indisputable video evidence.
Like the news footage of Gary Plauche shooting and killing a man in police custody in the Baton Rouge airport? A video never tells the full story. That is all I am saying.
No system is perfect, ours has flaws. Many of the flaws relate to the people in control of the system. That same flaw presents itself in your scenario but without the possibility of citizens circumventing the people in authority short of an insurrection. Many of our problems now relate to our emotional choices in who we elect rather than logical far sighted choices.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:26 am to Eli Goldfinger
Absolutely.
Murder, rape, child molestation, repeat violent/property crimes.
Most likely 3-5% of the population commit most of the violent crime. Everyone would be better off without them.
In half a generation, the difference would be incredible.
Murder, rape, child molestation, repeat violent/property crimes.
Most likely 3-5% of the population commit most of the violent crime. Everyone would be better off without them.
In half a generation, the difference would be incredible.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:45 am to Eli Goldfinger
You mean throw away a system of justice that we have fought wars to obtain and of which is head and shoulders above other civilized countries? Is that what you mean? Because it sounds like that is what you mean. I think that is what you mean.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:54 am to Eli Goldfinger
No. Due process exists for a reason.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:09 am to EarlyCuyler3
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When you can't dispute the facts, question the source.
I can dispute the source, because your source is shite!
Also, I love the cherry picked data from Singapore and Hong Kong. I always compare Singapore, Hong Kong, and the entire USA. They are all exactly alike in every way.
Then throwing out this baseless assertion:
quote:
Singapore’s
aggressive capital punishment policies provided a critical test of the exuberant claims
among American empiricists produced by statistical extrapolation over time in a low-
execution environment like the United States.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:43 am to Bazzatcha
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Desperate times call for desperate measures... I believe the tiny percentage of innocent people executed in this style of system would be well worth it for overall society because it would actually save way more innocent lives in the long run.
Shame him with poop pies.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:44 am to Eli Goldfinger
my problem is who decides there is zero guilt?
the government? because....yea they have proven they would never lie and break the law or the constitution
my peers??? because.....yea I want to have my life decided in a state where the median IQ is 95 or in a country where the median IQ is still below 100 and considered crashing the economy over a virus with a .001% death rate, if that
My whole problem with the death penalty now is I dont trust the government, dont trust the cops to plant evidence(especially at the state and federal level) and i have no faith in my fellow man to make the correct decision so explain how do we determine zero guilt?
i personally have zero moral objection to what you propose, i just dont know how you determine zero guilt unless its a confession where they describe every single thing in detail.
the government? because....yea they have proven they would never lie and break the law or the constitution
my peers??? because.....yea I want to have my life decided in a state where the median IQ is 95 or in a country where the median IQ is still below 100 and considered crashing the economy over a virus with a .001% death rate, if that
My whole problem with the death penalty now is I dont trust the government, dont trust the cops to plant evidence(especially at the state and federal level) and i have no faith in my fellow man to make the correct decision so explain how do we determine zero guilt?
i personally have zero moral objection to what you propose, i just dont know how you determine zero guilt unless its a confession where they describe every single thing in detail.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
so you consider yourself a conservative and you rant and rave about the government and corruption(100% justified and rightfully so) and you want to give them the power to legally kill citizens?
i agree with your premise and certainly have zero moral objection to it. My problem is i dont trust them not to twist the definition. Example...the raid on trump, they could easily say he committed 15 property crimes and theft of items worth some extreme amount and because it is so many violations...he is a repeat offender...suddenly you have a former president fighting for his life, being judged by a jury of his "PEERS" he beleive int he russian hoax and that he is some kind of racist
frick all that!!!
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:54 am to Eli Goldfinger
I'd love to see people legitimately guilty of horrible crimes dealt with swiftly and brutally.
Only problem is I don't trust the government to keep their brutality limited to those actual deserving of it.
It will spread to anyone they simply don't like.
Only problem is I don't trust the government to keep their brutality limited to those actual deserving of it.
It will spread to anyone they simply don't like.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:55 am to Bazzatcha
Ten years ago, it would be hard to imagine that a vocal minority of US voters would advocate the Russian judicial system over that in the US. Or that so many on the right would openly admire Putin.
Donald Trump has changed the values of a lot of folks on the the right who were quite vocal supporters of LAW and order. NOw, its just "order', Russian or some other authoritarian style ...
Donald Trump has changed the values of a lot of folks on the the right who were quite vocal supporters of LAW and order. NOw, its just "order', Russian or some other authoritarian style ...
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:56 am to lsu777
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so you consider yourself a conservative and you rant and rave about the government and corruption(100% justified and rightfully so) and you want to give them the power to legally kill citizens?
He may consider himself a conservative but everyone else just considers him an idiot.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 9:08 am to Realityintheface
quote:agreed for murder or hurting a child.
some crimes, yes. Right away.
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