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re: Would you be in favor of Soviet style justice if there is ZERO doubt of guilt?

Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:39 am to
Posted by Bazzatcha
Member since May 2017
940 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:39 am to
Desperate times call for desperate measures... I believe the tiny percentage of innocent people executed in this style of system would be well worth it for overall society because it would actually save way more innocent lives in the long run.

I will go one step further and say we should bring back public executions via town hangings and guillotines for violent murderers, pedophiles, and rapists who without question performed their crime with absolute intent to do so. Questionable self defense, drunk drivers, or sexual acts that have reasonable cause to believe the victim didn't play a part in the crime to possibly put themselves in harms way would not apply. I'm talking about criminals who performed their crimes with the preconceived intent for a desired outcome, which includes car jackers or robbers who use a deadly weapon or force to perform their crime, even though they didn't have intent to actually use it. No innocent person minding their own business deserves to have deadly weapon pulled on them, period end of story.

Execution's should be a few days after crime at most, not 20 years of wasting millions of tax payer dollars housing and feeding these animals. Do this and crime will go down to likes of which no one would believe was possible.

Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62579 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:53 am to
No.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77101 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:57 am to
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The US government already persecutes political enemies here. Hell they’ve probably assassinated some of them.


Probably? The CIA alone has whacked more people than the Mob ever dreamed of.
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
1784 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 6:57 am to
For some crimes, yes. Right away.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42401 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:00 am to
Describe zero doubt of guilt and the crime you are dispatching them for. Are there mitigating factors that are taken into consideration that could change the sentence?

No, I'll stick with our flawed system over any system that decides they know the answer without any deliberation.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:02 am to
Something along the lines of indisputable video evidence.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:09 am to
this was covered in a Kurt Vonnegut novel.
the giant blade you ride down and be rent asunder.

I'm partial to public hangings.

designing a culture that doesn't produce poverty and hopelessness is a more humane society.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42401 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:23 am to
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Something along the lines of indisputable video evidence.



Like the news footage of Gary Plauche shooting and killing a man in police custody in the Baton Rouge airport? A video never tells the full story. That is all I am saying.

No system is perfect, ours has flaws. Many of the flaws relate to the people in control of the system. That same flaw presents itself in your scenario but without the possibility of citizens circumventing the people in authority short of an insurrection. Many of our problems now relate to our emotional choices in who we elect rather than logical far sighted choices.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295514 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:26 am to
Absolutely.

Murder, rape, child molestation, repeat violent/property crimes.

Most likely 3-5% of the population commit most of the violent crime. Everyone would be better off without them.

In half a generation, the difference would be incredible.
Posted by Barrister
Member since Jul 2012
5202 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:45 am to
You mean throw away a system of justice that we have fought wars to obtain and of which is head and shoulders above other civilized countries? Is that what you mean? Because it sounds like that is what you mean. I think that is what you mean.
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15933 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:54 am to
No. Due process exists for a reason.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34080 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:09 am to
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When you can't dispute the facts, question the source.

I can dispute the source, because your source is shite!

Also, I love the cherry picked data from Singapore and Hong Kong. I always compare Singapore, Hong Kong, and the entire USA. They are all exactly alike in every way.

Then throwing out this baseless assertion:

quote:

Singapore’s
aggressive capital punishment policies provided a critical test of the exuberant claims
among American empiricists produced by statistical extrapolation over time in a low-
execution environment like the United States.


Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:43 am to
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Desperate times call for desperate measures... I believe the tiny percentage of innocent people executed in this style of system would be well worth it for overall society because it would actually save way more innocent lives in the long run.


Shame him with poop pies.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36611 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:44 am to
my problem is who decides there is zero guilt?

the government? because....yea they have proven they would never lie and break the law or the constitution


my peers??? because.....yea I want to have my life decided in a state where the median IQ is 95 or in a country where the median IQ is still below 100 and considered crashing the economy over a virus with a .001% death rate, if that

My whole problem with the death penalty now is I dont trust the government, dont trust the cops to plant evidence(especially at the state and federal level) and i have no faith in my fellow man to make the correct decision so explain how do we determine zero guilt?

i personally have zero moral objection to what you propose, i just dont know how you determine zero guilt unless its a confession where they describe every single thing in detail.
Posted by rd280z
Richmond
Member since Jan 2007
2467 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:47 am to
Absolutely
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36611 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:49 am to
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RogerTheShrubber


so you consider yourself a conservative and you rant and rave about the government and corruption(100% justified and rightfully so) and you want to give them the power to legally kill citizens?

i agree with your premise and certainly have zero moral objection to it. My problem is i dont trust them not to twist the definition. Example...the raid on trump, they could easily say he committed 15 property crimes and theft of items worth some extreme amount and because it is so many violations...he is a repeat offender...suddenly you have a former president fighting for his life, being judged by a jury of his "PEERS" he beleive int he russian hoax and that he is some kind of racist

frick all that!!!
Posted by CabtainStabbin
Member since Aug 2022
214 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:54 am to
I'd love to see people legitimately guilty of horrible crimes dealt with swiftly and brutally.

Only problem is I don't trust the government to keep their brutality limited to those actual deserving of it.

It will spread to anyone they simply don't like.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13057 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:55 am to
Ten years ago, it would be hard to imagine that a vocal minority of US voters would advocate the Russian judicial system over that in the US. Or that so many on the right would openly admire Putin.
Donald Trump has changed the values of a lot of folks on the the right who were quite vocal supporters of LAW and order. NOw, its just "order', Russian or some other authoritarian style ...
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:56 am to
quote:

so you consider yourself a conservative and you rant and rave about the government and corruption(100% justified and rightfully so) and you want to give them the power to legally kill citizens?



He may consider himself a conservative but everyone else just considers him an idiot.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 9/16/22 at 9:08 am to
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some crimes, yes. Right away.
agreed for murder or hurting a child.
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