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re: World's Oldest Shipwreck at the bottom of the Black Sea.

Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:21 am to
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:21 am to
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Try diving on school bus in water with literally about 1-2 feet visibility.


are you talking about The Reef outside of houston?
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:29 am to
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
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13490 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:35 am to
I hope the crew is ok
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42296 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:59 am to
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are anoxic, containing virtually no oxygen. This prevents organic material from degrading, hence the nearly pristine condition of the ship.


I know it’s nit-picking but organic material is most certainly degraded in oxygen free atmospheres. Also wood doesn’t degrade when fully submerged in water, period. It can be completely saturated with oxygen but the wood will not rot.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55327 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:08 am to
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Black, not Baltic.


Whoa, dude. We no longer use the word "Black".

It's "African-American".
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37069 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:17 am to
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I hope the crew is ok


Prayers are of no use, as they died prior to baby Jesus, so they all went to hell or the upside down.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
20044 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:19 am to
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World's Oldest Shipwreck at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

That we know of....
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:19 am to
They were actually able to develop a rendering of what they believed the captain looked like based on information recovered from the mission.

Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:01 am to
going to bounce this out there. i've always been under the impression that any big water east of the strait of Gibraltar, west of the middle east, north of Africa, and south of Europe was "the Mediterranean". I'm on google earth looking at the black sea and followed it down through turkey to the med. I now see that there are several other "seas" listed:

Alboran (between Spain and Africa)
Balearic (south of Barcelona and north of Ibiza)
Tyrrhenian (west of Italy, east of Sardinia/Corsica)
Adriatic (between Italy and Serbia)
Aegean (between Greece and turkey)
Ionian (between Greece and Italy)
Leaving the Mediterranean north of Africa from the middle east to Tunisia and south of Italy, Greece, and turkey)

Not sure why i posted this, just thought it was interesting.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:03 am to
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i've always been under the impression that any big water east of the strait of Gibraltar, west of the middle east, north of Africa, and south of Europe was "the Mediterranean". I'm on google earth looking at the black sea and followed it down through turkey to the med. I now see that there are several other "seas" listed:



Someone failed 7th grade Geography
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:10 am to
I mean, not really.. I finished second in our school's geography bee in 6th grade.

But looking at it, the french riviera is considered "on the Mediterranean" when in actuality, it's nowhere near the med.

I knew other seas existed but i didn't know that many (I had never heard of the Balearic or Alboran)
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92264 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:11 am to
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I finished second in our school's geography bee in 6th grade.

it still grinds your guts today that I beat you doesn't it?
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:14 am to
Hell yes it does! i was in 6th grade and it was 5th, 6th, and 7th. i don't remember the question i lost on but i do remember it was one i should have known! Maybe something with the moon phases.

i won a blow up globe (like a beach ball) for coming out second.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:16 am to
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I knew other seas existed but i didn't know that many (I had never heard of the Balearic or Alboran)


They all get lumped into/considered by most around here as the Mediterranean sea, but yes it is broken up into many parts.

Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:22 am to
That's my point. I thought it officially stretched from Gibraltar to Israel and had a few seas around the Italian and greek peninsulas.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 11:24 am
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:26 am to
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That's my point. I thought it officially stretched from Gibraltar to Israel and had a few seas around the Italian and green peninsulas


I do believe it's all encompassing but is broken down due to before technology it would be pretty hard to tell someone to just sail across the Med from say Alexandria in Egypt to just say Venice without a little better directions.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:29 am to
So really, no part of mainland Italy or Greece touch the Mediterranean.

I love maps! I could spend days looking at them.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:32 am to
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I do believe it's all encompassing but is broken down due to before technology it would be pretty hard to tell someone to just sail across the Med from say Alexandria in Egypt to just say Venice without a little better directions


Right. Today people don’t go in their fishing boat more than a mile without gps technology.

Imagine just getting on a ship and heading out to sea kind of aiming for another city. That’s crazy when you think about it but we did it like it was nothing.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15791 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:36 am to
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Right. Today people don’t go in their fishing boat more than a mile without gps technology.

Imagine just getting on a ship and heading out to sea kind of aiming for another city. That’s crazy when you think about it but we did it like it was nothing.


More interesting to be is how they used astronomy to navigate at night. We would ALL be fricked a solar flare kills all technology.
Posted by Coon
La 56 Southbound
Member since Feb 2005
18579 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:18 pm to
Another thing is communications. There's a scene in Master and Commander when they're trading with natives/expats off the coast of Brazil and they give them sacks of mail to send back in the hopes that at some point that might get back to their home. Today, on a ship pretty much anywhere in the world, you can click a button on your phone and be face to face with someone back home (or wherever).

And stuff like that (the M&C example) is RECENT all things considered. We're less than 150-200 years removed from pretty much no technology other than a lens at the end of a tube and a sextant (and that's really only recent tech in itself). When this boat sank, they were just looking at stars and land i guess.

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