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re: Woman Shot, Killed After Aiming Gun at Biker She Intentionally Hit With Her Car
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:00 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:00 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Intentionally says the guy she allegedly hit (hit so hard his motorcycle still ran and was able to follow her home on).
Said by the witnesses.
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I’m venturing a bet she didn’t hit him intentionally and he’s one of the a-hole motorcyclists that cuts between cars like he own the road and runs 20-30 mph faster than the flow and then acts totally offended when he is “cut off” by someone changing lanes.
There are few enough facts out there without writing long, fictional diatribes. None of your idea is based in reality. The cops are saying she instigated a road rage incident, then intentionally hit him, then got home, where she was safe inside. He was sitting quietly out front, with the witnesses, on the phone with 911. She came out to scream at them, then pointed a gun at him.
That's the facts, Jack.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 8:01 am
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Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:00 am to Silver Buzzard
lotta women out here think they're completely untouchable. why? i have no idea
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:02 am to beauchristopher
If she was so scared WTF did she go outside her home to confront them with a fricking gun? She was trying to be a badass and like a lot of people have already said - she found out.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:03 am to BuckyCheese
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Yeah, I'd like to see more facts. Lots of "he said" so far. And I think most people, broads especially, are going to be nervous to flat out terrified if three pissed off bikers are chasing them home. eta-Has some Arbery parallels.
Oh we are absolutely gonna be scared. But we are also gonna be in our house with the gun loaded and pointed at the door and be on speaker phone with 911.
Not out of our house threatening people.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:03 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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lotta women out here think they're completely untouchable. why? i have no idea
She was going to use the Cry, and say "I AM PRGENANT" a lot defense when the cops got there. She chose not to wait.
They had told her repeatedly the cops were on the way.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:04 am to tigerbutt
Let me guess, you ride to motorcycles with one of those clubs, don't you? I don't know who acts more entitled, cyclists or motorcycle drivers.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:05 am to Silver Buzzard
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I am very familiar with biker culture. Any infraction real or imagined might have elicited a door kick or other aggressive action.
Profile much?
What's more likely? That this guy is a hard-core biker gangbanger that just wanted to kill someone, or that the pregnant woman was just intimidated by a different kind of vehicle on the road, like most drivers are, and let her hormones control her?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:06 am to MorbidTheClown
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Even if she did hit him, she has no obligation to "pull over."
isn't this the definition of hit and run?
Not if she’s feels threatened. She can drive to a safe place and call police there.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:07 am to beauchristopher
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So now he knows any time someone pisses him off he can chase them down and if anything remotely goes south he can just whip out his gun and shoot them.
This is the hyperbole used with KR and it’s wrong. Stop spewing it.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:07 am to Silver Buzzard
When I lived in California and Washington state (late 90’s/ early 00’s), my car got hit twice and both times the drivers drove away. I got the license plate numbers in both instances and called the cops.
In both cases, in two different states, the cops told me the driver that drove away did nothing wrong because the drivers “didn’t think there was any damage” (there was damage; the claims were bullshite). In CA and WA, I guess it’s legal to do hit and runs as long as the hitting and running driver claims they didn’t think there was any damage. If I had to guess, I’d guess that the hitting drivers in my cases were uninsured illegals that the cops didn’t want to have the hassle of dealing with.
What is the law on this in FL? If he wasn’t injured in any way and didn’t even come off his bike, was she legally obligated to stop for angry bikers? Confronting them with a gun outside was dumb as shite, and she shouldn’t have done that. I was always taught to drive to a police station if I was being followed. My husband is a good sized dude and he drove to a police station once when being followed by an angry driver he accidentally cut off that was flashing his 9mil, so this advise isn’t just for women.
In both cases, in two different states, the cops told me the driver that drove away did nothing wrong because the drivers “didn’t think there was any damage” (there was damage; the claims were bullshite). In CA and WA, I guess it’s legal to do hit and runs as long as the hitting and running driver claims they didn’t think there was any damage. If I had to guess, I’d guess that the hitting drivers in my cases were uninsured illegals that the cops didn’t want to have the hassle of dealing with.
What is the law on this in FL? If he wasn’t injured in any way and didn’t even come off his bike, was she legally obligated to stop for angry bikers? Confronting them with a gun outside was dumb as shite, and she shouldn’t have done that. I was always taught to drive to a police station if I was being followed. My husband is a good sized dude and he drove to a police station once when being followed by an angry driver he accidentally cut off that was flashing his 9mil, so this advise isn’t just for women.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:08 am to Silver Buzzard
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intentionally hit Andrew Derr, a 40-year-old motorcyclist, with a blue Kia that she was driving and then fled the scene
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The hit and run occurred around 5 p.m. on Saturday and police described it as a "minor crash." Derr was not injured or ejected from his motorcycle, according to the police department.
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The motorcyclists and other witnesses attempted to get Morales to pull over and followed her to her home, where she went inside and re-emerged with a handgun, which police said she pointed at Derr.
What all involved were doing before car hit motorcycle is left out and would like to know what started it in first place.
In another article the biker or other witness called police while following her and on line when shooting occurred.
I am not sure they should have pursued as aggressively as they did (but not sure they were on property it’s hard to tell where driveway and road are), she should not have come out and left house with gun and without calling police at any point like if she felt in danger and reason she didn’t stop after hitting biker.
Seems like multiple places this could have been avoided or handled less aggressively, and I really want to know if wreck was intentional or reacting to bikers bullying or harassing her. But at point of her coming at them with a gun and aiming it at person (if true) I don’t think biker needed to wait before defending himself.
Edit: biker was down on ground when police arrived not the body of the lady.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:10 am to beauchristopher
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Not sure why people can't see this. I just am amazed people defend such type of action. He shot her while she was expressing her concerns and yes she was likely pointing the gun, but she was clearly scared of them.
She wasn’t scared enough to stay inside.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:11 am to Meauxjeaux
It's still hit and run. And, she did find a safe place, she just chose poorly not to stay inside it.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:12 am to beauchristopher
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He shot her while she was expressing her concerns and yes she was likely pointing the gun, but she was clearly scared of them.
Because we all know a scared woman holding and pointing a gun at someone isn’t a threat.
Look, this entire situation is shitty. Both people made huge mistakes and terrible decisions. What I think most people here are arguing for is the ability for people to protect themselves. Both ways.
Had she stayed in her home, she’s alive. Had he not followed her, she’s alive.
But why would this guy be trying to intimidate her if he’s on the phone with 911. This seems like he’s making sure the cops follow up.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:12 am to Hangit
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The cops are saying she instigated a road rage incident,
Link?
I've looked at three articles and none say that.
The video showing him laying in the road to be arrested does not appear to be in front of the house where she was killed from looking at google maps.
Also, he was in her front yard according to multiple articles.
Some crazed biker follows me home and pulls into my yard I'd probably come out with a gun as well.
I wouldn't wait for him to pull his though.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:15 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
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I don't know who acts more entitled, cyclists or motorcycle drivers.
They're all assholes.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:16 am to Silver Buzzard
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You follow my pregnant daughter home and kill her. I will massacre everyone in your family and you will get to watch.
Then tell her to stay inside and not come out with a gun.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:17 am to canyon
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Why does she get a pass from intentionally hitting someone with her vehicle? Shouldn't matter if he didn't crash or lose control. She HIT him with her car.
The actions after that are inexcusable on both sides and as I posted earlier, she would most likely be breathing still had she stayed inside.
Nobody knows the reasoning here. I am not saying she gets a pass for hitting him, but I don't think they should follow her back to her home. It looks like she lives in the woods too.
Again, maybe she made a mistake, but it shouldn't have come to this.
Derr said other people had guns as well. I don't know if he is referring to the other guys.
But this is what she said,
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“You’re three men. You followed me. Leave me alone,” Morales shouts as multiple gunshots are heard.
How does she not know their intentions and that they aren't all together? Why are THREE men chasing down a woman after she hit one guy? You can't at least see things from her perspective at all? Even if she made a mistake and even purposely hit them? If they are willing to go to her home what's to stop them from entering it. She did not know these men. 3 men going after her certainly seems scary.
So even if she tapped them on purpose out of potential road rage she no longer has a right to defend herself against three guys chasing her down? I wouldn't do it, but if I did I think I would be pretty afraid of these guys and their intentions.
Go listen to the audio. She was saying, "leave me alone you are three men chasing me." And then he absolutely blasted her.
If anything I wish they either left or they both got blasted then. Again, he will always have the upper hand and knows he can chase down anyone who pisses him off, because even if a gun is pointed on him to leave, he has the upper hand and is willing to actually end it. Not a fan of this type of self defense. The kind you actively seek out the person, especially a woman. And we have yet to know what may have even started it all.
They shouldn't have came to her home. I just do not agree with that. And he shouldn't have blasted her after she told them to leave. She was saying leave, you followed me. They should have just left and let the police handle it. 2 lives lost here.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:17 am to tigerbutt
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7,000 lb vehicle
Was she driving a dump truck?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 8:18 am to Silver Buzzard
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You follow me home I will be blasting when I come out the door, if I don't shoot from inside. You follow my pregnant daughter home and kill her. I will massacre everyone in your family and you will get to watch.
look out fellas...
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