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re: Winn Dixie Tesla charging station line today
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:00 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:00 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
I'm asking why you wouldn't charge up the night before or charge while at work? Instead of feeling the anxiety the night before.
Because the same issues of not knowing how long that is going to take, how much charge I need for the next however many days, etc, still apply.
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Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:02 pm to HooDooWitch
quote:
Last pic is Tesla with hazards on. Ran out of juice while waiting i this ridiculously long line.
Then how are the hazard lights working?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:03 pm to Korkstand
do you have any idea how dumb you sound?
you did voltage, good boy, now do current.
What are your mains? You can run the dryer, AC, or charge the car, but only 2 outta 3 at any one time
and now you admit that the chargers will cost as much to run as the AC.
How many houses can be run off that transformer? Now reduce that number by 30% because of demand to charge EV's
You constantly sport non facts, stop misleading people
you did voltage, good boy, now do current.
What are your mains? You can run the dryer, AC, or charge the car, but only 2 outta 3 at any one time
and now you admit that the chargers will cost as much to run as the AC.
How many houses can be run off that transformer? Now reduce that number by 30% because of demand to charge EV's
You constantly sport non facts, stop misleading people
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:03 pm to rhar61
quote:The question has been asked plenty, but that is very far into the future. In the more near term, as we approach 10% EV fleet in the next 10 years or so, I think we will see a combination of increased use of backfeed home chargers as well as more widespread time-of-use billing from energy providers which will stabilize the grid.
You did not ask the question that goes unasked.
The electric vehicles on the road now are 1% of the total.
How's it going to work when the other 99% are electric?
Looking at a single house with an EV, where peak demand from the grid is typically in the afternoon when people get home from work, I would like to plug in my car and then use the remaining battery to power my house rather than put load on the grid at that time. Then later after peak demand ends, rates from the grid drop and the EV starts charging back up. A bit of free market arbitrage to buy energy cheap and "sell" it high.
From the power company's perspective, my home has lower peak consumption which is easier for them to manage and it may get them more useful life out of existing equipment.
quote:Either property owners will add the infrastructure to attract the clientele and earn the charging revenue, or EV owners will get their shite together and figure it out, or they will just not buy an EV. But ~63% of US housing has a garage or carport, so those people are probably more likely to buy an EV in the near future.
How are all of the millions and millions of apartment dwellers who live FAR AWAY from where their car parks going to "charge overnight in the slow electric hours"?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:06 pm to HooDooWitch
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The AC comes on automatically when the car is off to keep the inside temp cool enough to protect the electronics from over heating. A hot as it is, it probably runs all day, grinding the batteries down even when they’re parked. I noticed a few out of state tags in the line, too.
EVs are wonderful if you live in a big city with plenty of charging stations, a mild to cool climate, and you never have to drive far or pull a trailer!
Let’s mandate them for the entire country! Nothing will go wrong
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:08 pm to HooDooWitch
I realize the home charging station is an additional few grand for an electrician to install above and beyond purchase price, but why would anyone buy one of these without having that installed in tandem with purchasing the car?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:09 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Looking at a single house with an EV, where peak demand from the grid is typically in the afternoon when people get home from work, I would like to plug in my car and then use the remaining battery to power my house rather than put load on the grid at that time. Then later after peak demand ends, rates from the grid drop and the EV starts charging back up. A bit of free market arbitrage to buy energy cheap and "sell" it high.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:11 pm to deltaland
Most real world use shows about 5% reduction in battery over a 24hr period in temps over 100 degrees.
Just sitting there at 100 degrees the batteries have no need to cool themselves.
Some drivers elec to keep their car interiors cooler, so the battery degradation is a thing.
Just sitting there at 100 degrees the batteries have no need to cool themselves.
Some drivers elec to keep their car interiors cooler, so the battery degradation is a thing.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:12 pm to HooDooWitch
You should see the line already today.
Line started to get long around 10:45 today. A lot of Uber drivers, cars with Colorado plates and Louisiana commercial plates.
Line started to get long around 10:45 today. A lot of Uber drivers, cars with Colorado plates and Louisiana commercial plates.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:15 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
Hmmm, I may go drive Uber this evening if it has them off the road again.
Last night the normies(those with out Teslas) were getting nice $$ for airport pick-ups and such because the area wasn't full with the normal Tesla folks.
Last night the normies(those with out Teslas) were getting nice $$ for airport pick-ups and such because the area wasn't full with the normal Tesla folks.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:16 pm to dr
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dr
What's so funny about that? I was doing basically the same thing to SDG&E 4 years ago with LG Chem batteries. They got big mad.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:17 pm to deltaland
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Let’s mandate them for the entire country! Nothing will go wrong
I've seen this before. People were dying in streets and there were mass graves everywhere. Get that booster too. Fml
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:17 pm to fightin tigers
Ford making big bucks off the EV truck
"One fact is striking: Ford only delivered 12,000 electric vehicles in the first quarter, which means that the carmaker lost $58,333 for each clean car sold during this period.
Ford explained this poor performance by higher costs, mainly higher engineering, and spending-related expenses, commodities and other inflationary pressures. Weak sales volumes are due, the carmaker said, to scheduled downtime at the Cuautitlan assembly plant in Mexico, to increase the Mach-E capacity to 35 jobs per hour. "
sustainable
"One fact is striking: Ford only delivered 12,000 electric vehicles in the first quarter, which means that the carmaker lost $58,333 for each clean car sold during this period.
Ford explained this poor performance by higher costs, mainly higher engineering, and spending-related expenses, commodities and other inflationary pressures. Weak sales volumes are due, the carmaker said, to scheduled downtime at the Cuautitlan assembly plant in Mexico, to increase the Mach-E capacity to 35 jobs per hour. "
sustainable
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:23 pm to dr
I remember us, myself included, just knowing Tesla was going to crash and burn because there was no way they could remain sustainable.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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What city and how far away from two metro areas are you? Ardmore, OK had a charging station for 40-50 teslas back in 2015/2016 time frame despite it being a town of <30,000. However is halfway between Dallas and OKC and was the perfect spot to put a charging station
I think it's pretty obvious to you why a town of 30k has a large supercharger station if you think about what you typed.
And why a town in BFE that is not midway between two metros would not.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:33 pm to UKWildcats
quote:
I realize the home charging station is an additional few grand for an electrician to install above and beyond purchase price, but why would anyone buy one of these without having that installed in tandem with purchasing the car?
80k each for the ones GM is forcing their dealers to install outside their showrooms.
Local dealer put in one. Shows how much demand there is for one in my area.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:34 pm to Trauma14
quote:
I have been renting from Hertz in Orange County for a couple of years and the requirement for Tesla rentals was to return above 15%. Is that not the case anymore? I haven't rented since May.
Not sure. I haven't rented from Hertz in a while. Typically rent through National but we got a great corporate code for Avis so I have been using them a ton.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:35 pm to fightin tigers
Tesla would have been toast if not for all the tax dollars spent on it, and the credits to buy cars.
"The US government is on the hook for US$41 billion in total subsidy outlays towards Tesla and its battery partner Panasonic for the duration of the Inflation Reduction Act's tax credits eligibility. Those will be phased out in 2032, but until then Tesla will be the main beneficiary of the government's largesse in the US, by a large margin."
your dollars at work
"The US government is on the hook for US$41 billion in total subsidy outlays towards Tesla and its battery partner Panasonic for the duration of the Inflation Reduction Act's tax credits eligibility. Those will be phased out in 2032, but until then Tesla will be the main beneficiary of the government's largesse in the US, by a large margin."
your dollars at work
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:37 pm to dr
Well, every auto maker would be toast without government bailouts or investment.
And yes, the government has always invested in new technologies even without green attached.
And yes, the government has always invested in new technologies even without green attached.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 12:38 pm to dr
Thanks goodness the US Govt never gives tax incentives and bailouts to the oil & gas sector.
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