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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:50 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:50 pm to Chad504boy
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Nah, that's what you hide behind. There's a clear defining pro Hayes camp on this board.
That's fresh.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:54 pm to nola000
Not sure but I don't think it was a 1911, it was posted a few pages back but I'm not sure what their source was
Just realized I offered nothing
Just realized I offered nothing
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:55 pm to Fun Bunch
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I've been practicing for over a decade dude.
You're really drinking the Fuller KoolAid big time man.
We will see.
Claims to be an attorney but has time to post an average of 13.3 Tiger Rant posts per day since May 2008.
Do you have any clients? You must be a very broke attorney.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:10 am to Fun Bunch
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I mean, really think about it.
People want to argue that Hayes can confront Smith with a gun, and then if Smith says I have a gun too and goes to his vehicle, Hayes can then unload, at point blank range, on Smith.
After originally threatening him a very real and very open gun.
LOGIC
Hows this for "logic". The story of a physical altercation perpetrated by W. Smith(alleged) is true. 3 swings(alleged) by an extremely intoxicated(true) W. Smith. C. Haynes, now under physical threat of great bodily harm(reasonable assumption), then draws his firearm from his vehicle. W. Smith exclaims, "I got one too, Ill show you what to do with that(or something to that affect)"(alleged) and moves back towards his vehicle(probable).
*Defendant physically attacked
*Draws weapon in defense of that attack
*Instigator of attack threatens to also draw weapon
*Instigator returns to vehicle presumably to retrieve said weapon
*Defendant opens fire to prevent escalation of force and imminent danger to his life
Legitimate self-defense claim. IMO.
If C. Hayes exited his vehicle brandishing a long-distance weapon without W. Smith having first approached C. Hayes' vehicle then this changes everything.
Manslaughter, IMO.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:13 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:15 am to nola000
C Haynes is going down! Good.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:16 am to Fun Bunch
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Everything I've heard from all accounts is that the gun was out prior to Smith retreating. I guess we will find out.
IF that is the case and IF the jury believes that, Hayes is fricked imo not matter what anything else says.
To me everything falls on that point. Every other Fuller bullshite parlor trick evaporates.
Yup. This is everything.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:16 am to diat150
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yeah, I think if he got out with the gun brandished he is done. if he pulled it out after smith got hostile or tried to swing at him like we heard, then he gets off.
Agree. 100%
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:26 am to lsupride87
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Talking with his hands?
Wonder if that can be taken as an aggressive threat?
Damn. We Italians better take it down a notch then.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:02 am to nola000
I think there are a lot of factors people are overstating. First off, whether he hit Hayes car or not isnt going to determine justification for shooting an unarmed man.
Reality is that he very likely (pretty certainly) hit Hayes from behind, but the impact was minimal, and while it likely startled both parties involved, could've been thought as a near miss or not a big deal.
Will Smith's BAC is not accurate at all. It can go up or down extremely post-mitten for a variety of reasons, and that is why it is most often not used or blood is taken asap to evaluate. It is harder to do in snuffed investigation than a simple crash.
Finally, Hayes is an idiot in every single way for how the situation was handled. He also was admitted both initially and later that he was the first to have a gun on him. Some idiot jumping up and down with his shirt off talking shite does not constitute eminent threat to your life.
Finally, people of you defending Hayes with every breathe, especially his 'acquaintance tgat knows him only to be a great guy', aka Nado, will just claim Ge is the victim of WS's celebrity. O'Neal either lied to police or to OTL in an obvious attempt to support his friend's case. Amazing how his version of the event given to police the night it actually happened doesn't look good for his friend and then magically right before trial, he gives a media interview stating things very differently.
Of course, that is just coincidence and a woman that was shot can't have not misstated herself at the time.
Reality is that he very likely (pretty certainly) hit Hayes from behind, but the impact was minimal, and while it likely startled both parties involved, could've been thought as a near miss or not a big deal.
Will Smith's BAC is not accurate at all. It can go up or down extremely post-mitten for a variety of reasons, and that is why it is most often not used or blood is taken asap to evaluate. It is harder to do in snuffed investigation than a simple crash.
Finally, Hayes is an idiot in every single way for how the situation was handled. He also was admitted both initially and later that he was the first to have a gun on him. Some idiot jumping up and down with his shirt off talking shite does not constitute eminent threat to your life.
Finally, people of you defending Hayes with every breathe, especially his 'acquaintance tgat knows him only to be a great guy', aka Nado, will just claim Ge is the victim of WS's celebrity. O'Neal either lied to police or to OTL in an obvious attempt to support his friend's case. Amazing how his version of the event given to police the night it actually happened doesn't look good for his friend and then magically right before trial, he gives a media interview stating things very differently.
Of course, that is just coincidence and a woman that was shot can't have not misstated herself at the time.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:04 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:50 am to Geauxgurt
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m. Some idiot jumping up and down with his shirt off talking shite does not constitute eminent threat to your life.
I would say it does when it 3v2. And that's excluding the females
People have been killed in a street fight. Don't blame Hayes one bit if this really played out this way
Link to where I know him. You are a dumbass
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 5:51 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:50 am to Mr. Hangover
Ruger SR45
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 6:51 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:17 am to nola000
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then draws his firearm from his vehicle
Pretty sure he left the vehicle with it
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If C. Hayes exited his vehicle brandishing a long-distance weapon
wtf???? Like a Mel Gibson Patriot musket? This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 7:21 am
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:21 am to Fun Bunch
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Everything I've heard from all accounts is that the gun was out prior to Smith retreating. I guess we will find out.
IF that is the case and IF the jury believes that, Hayes is fricked imo not matter what anything else says.
To me everything falls on that point. Every other Fuller bullshite parlor trick evaporates.
If the gun was out prior to Smith retreating then is it possible Smith took a swing at Hayes while Hayes was holding a gun, then Hayes started shooting, Hitting Rachel first, then while Smith went to reach for his gun Hayes started popping caps in Smiths back?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:40 am to Geauxgurt
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Will Smith's BAC is not accurate at all
You stay in a holiday inn express last night?Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:43 am to tgrbaitn08
anything is really possible. will be interesting to hear from bystanders. that is where i will make my decision. both sides are too close to victim/alleged shooter to not be biased
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:44 am to tgrbaitn08
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Hitting Rachel first, then while Smith went to reach for his gun Hayes started popping caps in Smiths back?
Still doesn't reconcile with the fact that the first shot comes in directly on his left side, when he was facing his wife and not the cabin of the vehicle. If you believe that (there's definitely a shot there, and the angle will be discussed by the coroner) he had to be shooting at someone who wasn't even reaching for a gun.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:45 am to Nado Jenkins83
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anything is really possible. will be interesting to hear from bystanders. that is where i will make my decision. both sides are too close to victim/alleged shooter to not be biased
Is it correct to assume that eyewitness testimony is the worst way to judge a case?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:47 am to lsupride87
Well it's evident levels he had he shouldn't have been able to walk or function
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:50 am to Mr. Hangover
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Is it correct to assume that eyewitness testimony is the worst way to judge a case?
I would rank it well below well done forensics by competent people. I also wouldn't include NOPD within those realms.
just interested in hearing the bystanders as their has to be a few.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 7:50 am to nola000
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