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re: Will Baton Rouge ever be the Woodlands?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:12 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:12 am to PurpleAndGold86
This. The Woodlands was nothing like what i imagined it would be when i went. There were sky scrapers, massive business development parks, incredible infrastructure, bars, restaurants, ect. I almost took a job out there that paid less than in baton rouge because it was so much nicer than i expected.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:13 am to MyNameIsInigoMontoya
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:14 am to baytiger
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and the woodlands does? it's the fricking suburbs
The Boss played out there last night
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:16 am to kingbob
I lived in Houston for a while (Katy) otherwise have lived in New Orleans. But I'm in Baton Rouge all the time.
Baton Rouge and The Woodlands isn't comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and car radios. Completely different set of circumstances.
The Woodlands started 30 years ago like all the other master planned communities out there - with a developer, a plan, and tight, tight standards. There is no city, no city hall, etc... it's all unincorporated. It was a completely corporate driven thing (with their version of an HOA on steroids) that ran things.
How did they get the infrastructure? This is easy. Texas law allows the Munucipal Utility District (aka MUD). A landowner or landowners take a piece of unincorporated land and basically create a governmental-like agency on it. This agency has, importantly, the power to issue bonds and charge property tax. The MUD is run by an elected board. Since the only person in the MUD area is the landowner, they vote their people in. The MUD then goes out an issues bonds, and assess a property tax. Again, at this point, there is only one, or maybe a couple of landowners, who will pay the tax - on undeveloped land, so tax is minimal initially.
Bond money comes in and is used to build roads, drainage, lighting, parks, etc. The landowner then starts plotting out the lots, setting aside areas for retail, etc. One the lots are plated out, they start developing some lots and selling other ones off. Each time, tax value goes up, and the new landowners start paying in the tax. The new landowners/homebuilders/developers then build houses, sell houses, etc.
Over time, now, you have an area with houses, retail, etc. You have the infrastructure. You have all this debt that was used to put in everything - and that debt is serviced by all the new homeowners who live there.
This is how The Woodlands, Cinco Ranch, etc were built.
I don't know if Louisiana law allows for anything akin to a MUD. But Baton Rouge will not be the Woodlands no more than Houston will be the Woodlands.
The more possible option is for undeveloped land - think Ascension or Livingston - being developed into something like The Woodlands.
Baton Rouge and The Woodlands isn't comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and car radios. Completely different set of circumstances.
The Woodlands started 30 years ago like all the other master planned communities out there - with a developer, a plan, and tight, tight standards. There is no city, no city hall, etc... it's all unincorporated. It was a completely corporate driven thing (with their version of an HOA on steroids) that ran things.
How did they get the infrastructure? This is easy. Texas law allows the Munucipal Utility District (aka MUD). A landowner or landowners take a piece of unincorporated land and basically create a governmental-like agency on it. This agency has, importantly, the power to issue bonds and charge property tax. The MUD is run by an elected board. Since the only person in the MUD area is the landowner, they vote their people in. The MUD then goes out an issues bonds, and assess a property tax. Again, at this point, there is only one, or maybe a couple of landowners, who will pay the tax - on undeveloped land, so tax is minimal initially.
Bond money comes in and is used to build roads, drainage, lighting, parks, etc. The landowner then starts plotting out the lots, setting aside areas for retail, etc. One the lots are plated out, they start developing some lots and selling other ones off. Each time, tax value goes up, and the new landowners start paying in the tax. The new landowners/homebuilders/developers then build houses, sell houses, etc.
Over time, now, you have an area with houses, retail, etc. You have the infrastructure. You have all this debt that was used to put in everything - and that debt is serviced by all the new homeowners who live there.
This is how The Woodlands, Cinco Ranch, etc were built.
I don't know if Louisiana law allows for anything akin to a MUD. But Baton Rouge will not be the Woodlands no more than Houston will be the Woodlands.
The more possible option is for undeveloped land - think Ascension or Livingston - being developed into something like The Woodlands.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:16 am to kingbob
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This. The Woodlands was nothing like what i imagined it would be when i went. There were sky scrapers, massive business development parks, incredible infrastructure, bars, restaurants, ect. I almost took a job out there that paid less than in baton rouge because it was so much nicer than i expected.
Yeah I understand if people don't want to commute from the Woodlands to downtown Houston everyday, but the Woodlands has unbelievable schools, restaurants, shopping, entertainment (Cynthia Woods). There is no debating that it is a great place to live. Might not be for other people, but it is still a great place to live.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:17 am to BRgetthenet
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St George maybe.
yep
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:17 am to Wayne Campbell
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The two aren't even close to comparable. The Woodlands is just a planned community that has exploded in size. It's a suburb where Baton Rouge is the main city.
Ding, ding, ding. The Woodlands is a planned community that they started building in the 1970s. The Woodlands has done well because its near Houston, which has exploded over the years because of the consolidation of the oil industry.
Baton Rouge is a city that has been developing since 1719.
There's no way you can compare the two.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:19 am to Monk
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There is no longer even an Uptown in NO.
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm almost certain you're inaccurate.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:21 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Yeah I understand if people don't want to commute from the Woodlands to downtown Houston everyday, but the Woodlands has unbelievable schools, restaurants, shopping, entertainment (Cynthia Woods). There is no debating that it is a great place to live
The Woodlands is becoming self-sufficent. You could have a family, with the mom a teacher in Conroe ISD, kids in schools up there, dad works at Anadarko, and you rarely ever would have to drive inside Beltway 8.
When I lived in Katy, I commuted first to the Tanglewood Area, and then slightly futher to Greenway Plaza. I had several friends in Katy who worked in the Energy Corridor off of Hwy 6 that laughed at my daily commute. But, the line of work I'm in, most of the firms are still located inside the beltway.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:11 pm to H.M. Murdock
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Baton Rouge has almost zero to offer in entertainment, dinning, and nightlife.
What's "dinning"?
Also, this statement is hilarious. What entertainment does baton rouge not have that other cities have? Dining? Nightlife? It's a city like any other city it's size. It's the state capital that has a major university in it and a big oil and gas industry. The People like to shite on BR let's me know they haven't actually scratched the surface of what the city has to offer. They just think LSU when it's much more than that.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:13 pm to Epic Cajun
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quote:
There is no longer even an Uptown in NO.
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm almost certain you're inaccurate
I'm pretty sure, HE had no idea what he meant by that.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:15 pm to Yung_Humma
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Baton Rouge: Black alone - 124,542 (54.3%) White alone - 86,679 (37.8%) Asian alone - 7,469 (3.3%) Hispanic - 7,653 (3.3%) Two or more races - 2,382 (1.0%) American Indian alone - 397 (0.2%) Other race alone - 332 (0.1%) Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 39 (0.02%
The Woodlands:
As of 2010, there were 93,847 people. The racial makeup was
90.8% White,
2.3% Black,
0.3% Native American,
4.9% Asian,
0.1% Pacific Islander,
and 0.2% Other,
and 1.5% from two or more races. Hispanics or Latino of any race were 12.3% of the population
Baton Rouge will NEVER be the Woodlands....
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:16 pm to monsterballads
i think people who blame baton rouge for not having entertainment, dinning, and nightlife just don't have any friends. it's more of a "them" problem. of course most other cities have more and better options, but to say baton rouge has almost zero tells me they just suck at life.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:17 pm to theunknownknight
I've lived most of my life in Baton Rouge. I sympathize with the criticism - high crime, terrible public schools, corrupt politicians, lack of planning, traffic. I've considered moving out of state many times.
But South Louisiana really is good people. Sports are huge here, neighbors help each other, families are close. I don't know that any of these master-planned communities are like that. Maybe they are.
By the way, I'm guessing the 70817 zip code is comparable in terms of demographics to many of the out of state master planned communities.
But South Louisiana really is good people. Sports are huge here, neighbors help each other, families are close. I don't know that any of these master-planned communities are like that. Maybe they are.
By the way, I'm guessing the 70817 zip code is comparable in terms of demographics to many of the out of state master planned communities.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:19 pm to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
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of course most other cities have more and better options,
So you acknowledge there are considerably less options BR.
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i think people who blame baton rouge for not having entertainment, dinning, and nightlife just don't have any friends. it's more of a "them" problem
So if you acknowledge that there is less to do in BR how does having more or less friends change what the city itself offers?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:21 pm to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
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i think people who blame baton rouge for not having entertainment, dinning, and nightlife just don't have any friends. it's more of a "them" problem. of course most other cities have more and better options, but to say baton rouge has almost zero tells me they just suck at life.
Absolutely. Nail on the head. Miserable people will be miserable I guess.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:22 pm to TexasTiger01
The Latino numbers are off IMO. I think it's closer to 15,000
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:23 pm to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
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i think people who blame baton rouge for not having entertainment, dinning, and nightlife just don't have any friends. it's more of a "them" problem. of course most other cities have more and better options, but to say baton rouge has almost zero tells me they just suck at life.
Cities like New Orleans, Houston, Atlanta... sure. As they should.
I'm with you though, if you don't think BR has good entertainment, dining, nightlife, etc... then you aren't looking for it.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:35 pm to H.M. Murdock
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less to do in BR
Less to do like what? Go to a pro baseball or football game?
What do you want to do in BR that BR doesn't have?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:37 pm to monsterballads
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What do you want to do in BR that BR doesn't have?
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Go to a pro baseball or football game
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