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re: Why is there no longer any political will for big public works projects?
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:30 am to Slippy
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:30 am to Slippy
There isn’t a realistic solution right now due to the legal and political environment.
And this is probably not helped by the fact that much of Louisiana is considered wetlands, which means the ACoE and EPA stick their nose in everything.
And this is probably not helped by the fact that much of Louisiana is considered wetlands, which means the ACoE and EPA stick their nose in everything.
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 am to Slippy
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But grousing about that ain't getting anything built.
The nature of our political system makes passing legislation painful as hell. Multiply that 10x for big public works projects.
Our system isn't set up for it. You would really need to turn shite over to the private sector and find out how to monetize it, then you'd see these projects again.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 am to SuperSaint
quote:
Yeah but I'd rather shitty bridges than having to live amongst Cowboy fans
1 Louisiana
0 Texas
I legit lol'd
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 am to 50_Tiger
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But LA will never have anything nice because people for some reason are offended when a toll is brought up.
In Texas, they float a bond to pay for a road, charge a toll to cover the bond payments plus maintenance plus support, and when the bond is paid off, that portion of tolls then gets routed to support new toll roads. Because each toll road in Texas is part of a state or local system.
In Louisiana, they float a bond to pay for a road, charge a toll to cover the bond payments plus maintenance plus support, and when the bond is paid off, that portion of tolls gets routed to increased BS expenses that have nothing to do with toll roads (such as CCC toll money being used for ferries).
That has led to a irrational anger about tolls. You don't "see" the gas tax - it's just part of the cost of gas. But you see the toll payment every time you hand over the money or your toll pass gets re-filled.
I think people need to get over the toll issue, but, we also need trustworthy people to handle the toll money.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 am to BigPerm30
quote:
It’s more lucrative for these fricks to do “studies” using their friends and family.
I've done an environmental study on this one piece of property for the City 3x times in 5 years
All 3 studies have been the exact same thing.
I keep telling them that its just going to be the same thing as last time, but they just keep requesting a new study.
Its so goddamn dumb.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 am to Oilfieldbiology
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There’s a will. There is just no trust in the elected politicians to actually get it done in an effective, timely manner
I’m not sure that recently changed
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:32 am to Slippy
quote:no it isnt. The I-10 crossing in Lake Chuck is.
It is without doubt the #1 public works priority in this state.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:32 am to Slippy
Add up all of the taxes you pay.
Property
Sales
State income
Fed income
Rental car
Hotel
Then look at what you get in return.
We’re over taxed and under served
Property
Sales
State income
Fed income
Rental car
Hotel
Then look at what you get in return.
We’re over taxed and under served
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:33 am to Salmon
Job suhcurity
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:33 am to Salmon
Anything government is ridiculously expensive. Add in all the environmental shite and it's nuts.
An example of a small project happened just recently in my small town. I don't recall all the details but it was to repaint the restored railroad station in town. This is just a small, wooden depot. Not some monstrosity. And it had been painted less than 10 years ago. Frankly didn't look like it needed paint.
City budgeted $10k for the paint job.
Some guys painted it in 2 days over a weekend.
Not a bad payday.
An example of a small project happened just recently in my small town. I don't recall all the details but it was to repaint the restored railroad station in town. This is just a small, wooden depot. Not some monstrosity. And it had been painted less than 10 years ago. Frankly didn't look like it needed paint.
City budgeted $10k for the paint job.
Some guys painted it in 2 days over a weekend.
Not a bad payday.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:34 am to jimbeam
*changes date on last report
"That'll be $10k"
"That'll be $10k"
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:35 am to Salmon
quote:
I've done an environmental study on this one piece of property for the City 3x times in 5 years All 3 studies have been the exact same thing. I keep telling them that its just going to be the same thing as last time, but they just keep requesting a new study. Its so goddamn dumb.
Is this one of those NEPA environmental reviews? If so, then one study probably should have been good for 5 years.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:35 am to LSUFanHouston
You would have to change many laws in this country to make these projects feasible again.
shite, offer Elon Musk a trillion dollars to "solve" climate change, or to rebuild the interstate system and I'll bet it happens.
But that's not how we are allowed to do business with government.
shite, offer Elon Musk a trillion dollars to "solve" climate change, or to rebuild the interstate system and I'll bet it happens.
But that's not how we are allowed to do business with government.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Dont blame the studdies. Blame the politicians that fund them, then do no do anything after the studies are complete. Then wait until the new election cycle to just do it over again.
Probably because so much money and time goes into studies, consulting, overruns, etc.
feasibility studies and alternatives analysis have proven to lead to saved money.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:36 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:
In Texas, they float a bond to pay for a road, charge a toll to cover the bond payments plus maintenance plus support, and when the bond is paid off, that portion of tolls then gets routed to support new toll roads. Because each toll road in Texas is part of a state or local system.
In Louisiana, they float a bond to pay for a road, charge a toll to cover the bond payments plus maintenance plus support, and when the bond is paid off, that portion of tolls gets routed to increased BS expenses that have nothing to do with toll roads (such as CCC toll money being used for ferries).
That has led to a irrational anger about tolls. You don't "see" the gas tax - it's just part of the cost of gas. But you see the toll payment every time you hand over the money or your toll pass gets re-filled.
I think people need to get over the toll issue, but, we also need trustworthy people to handle the toll money.
Probably the first rational explanation of the negativity of a toll ive seen here. Bravo baw
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:36 am to Slippy
I see this topic here a lot. Not being from there and never having witnessed the cluster frick this seems to be, I wonder why some private partnership has been formed to do this outside of gov't?
On a much smaller scale, but we own a business here in Bham. Our Chamber of Commerce sucks. They literally do nothing for the merchants or the community they service. So, we organized our own merchants association and started holding events to raise money for community improvement projects. We get much more accomplished than the chamber or the city ever did and we do it at a fraction of the cost.
On a much smaller scale, but we own a business here in Bham. Our Chamber of Commerce sucks. They literally do nothing for the merchants or the community they service. So, we organized our own merchants association and started holding events to raise money for community improvement projects. We get much more accomplished than the chamber or the city ever did and we do it at a fraction of the cost.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:37 am to Teufelhunden
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All road construction in La goes to the lowest bidder, regardless of their reputation or past performance.
And as someone else said, we do a shitty job of controlling change orders. So in the end, often the "low bid" turns out to be the high one, once all the change orders are entered in.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:37 am to Slippy
Liberals inevitably get their grubby paws into the budget and spend the money dehumanizing the population, conservatives aren't about it
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:38 am to 50_Tiger
quote:you think texdot had no say in that?
BR folks need to allow a 3rd party like NTTA here in Dallas to make a super speedway like we have here in the 635 Texpress.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:39 am to Slippy
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50-60 years ago
There was no EPA. Environmental and historic review process takes forever and cost $. God forbid you impact a wetland, a building that is over 50 years old, or hook toothed skink habitat. That will slow a project and cost more $. Look at the I-10 widening in BR. It's been in environmental and historic review for over 1 year. That's where they are with the new bridge right now too.
Regulations have driven up the cost of building stuff we need.
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