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re: Why is there no longer any political will for big public works projects?
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to udtiger
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to udtiger
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99.9% of conservatives in this state would support public works if it was guaranteed not to be a corrupt clusterfrick that will end up costing 3x what it should and still ending up half-assed.
Low bid + open wallet to approve bullshite change orders = SOP
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to The Spleen
quote:
Because they require tax money, which usually means a tax increase somewhere
They could find the money if they wanted to. No tax increase necessary.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:09 am to Slippy
Because smart people that get shite done aren’t in politics.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:11 am to Deactived
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I'll blame the govt before the tax paying residents
This doesn't fix the failing infrastructure of the entire state nor allow for a plan to actually bring it into the 21st Century.
There is ZERO reason why LA is in the predicament it is in.
It should be on par with Texas due to sharing of similar resources, albeit to a lesser degree because of size.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:12 am to CoachChappy
We've all witnessed the shitshow that is road construction in our state. Hwy 42 in Prairieville will not be complete until 2020 and will have taken well over 5 years to 4 lane 3.2 miles. 3.2 fricking miles! All road construction in La goes to the lowest bidder, regardless of their reputation or past performance. The only exception is companies that boycott Israel. Whew, so glad they got that critical piece of legislation through. If only they cared as much about us as they do about the people of Israel.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:14 am to Scruffy
Another example is the rail line in California.
That insanity ballooned to cost $89 million per mile.
That is insane.
That insanity ballooned to cost $89 million per mile.
That is insane.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:17 am to Scruffy
quote:Precisely.
Another example is the rail line in California.
It's the poster child for Government involvement in modern large infrastructure projects.
The Big Dig in Boston is another. Cost overruns were almost 200%.
These projects just cannot be built efficiently with modern concerns and government.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:18 am to Slippy
Texas is a more unified state.
There is a huge divide between the north and south priorities in Louisiana.
There is a huge divide between the north and south priorities in Louisiana.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yea, the Cali high speed rail went from $33 billion to nearly $80 billion.
All levels of US government suck massively at this.
Nothing is efficient and everything is overpriced.
All levels of US government suck massively at this.
Nothing is efficient and everything is overpriced.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:20 am to Scruffy
This is why private with a toll is the way to go.
Someone mentioned to me at work the other day that NTTA has to make projects within a certain timeframe or they start paying fines.
Not sure how true that is, but that would certainly keep a builder honest.
Someone mentioned to me at work the other day that NTTA has to make projects within a certain timeframe or they start paying fines.
Not sure how true that is, but that would certainly keep a builder honest.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:23 am to 50_Tiger
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This is why private with a toll is the way to go.
The prohibitive costs of modern projects make it that you almost have to have some mechanism to recover some of the cost. Outside of standard construction, maintenance. is prohibitively expensive and many projects defer maintenance
because of it.
Just catching up on deferred maintenance in the USA would probably cost a trillion dollars or more.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:23 am to Slippy
The emphasis from government & politicians running it ( essentially one and the same) is now on public welfare giveaways and not infrastructure maintenance and improvement because giveaways are where the votes are.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:24 am to 50_Tiger
Yeah but I'd rather shitty bridges than having to live amongst Cowboy fans
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:24 am to Slippy
because politicians in 2019 are a combination of corrupt and inept that one cannot trust with a nickel.
The Big Dig in Boston. Projected to cost $2.5 Billion and ended up at over $24 billion and finished 8 years beyond schedule. There is debate as to if it even helped traffic.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2012/07/12/7-things-that-cost-less-than-the-big-dig
California high speed rail. Projected to cost $77 billion. Tens of billions spent by time scrapped but much got diverted away to be wasted by local governments. Never built.
https://time.com/5528095/california-high-speed-rail/
Two miles of tunnel in Seattle: Half a decade of delays and a billion over estimates.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/berthas-woes-grind-on-more-delay-higher-cost-for-highway-99-tunnel/
20 miles of rail in Honolulu. Projected to cost three billion. Now over nine billion.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-20-mile-train-line-swelled-into-a-9-billion-debacle-11553270393
The Big Dig in Boston. Projected to cost $2.5 Billion and ended up at over $24 billion and finished 8 years beyond schedule. There is debate as to if it even helped traffic.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2012/07/12/7-things-that-cost-less-than-the-big-dig
California high speed rail. Projected to cost $77 billion. Tens of billions spent by time scrapped but much got diverted away to be wasted by local governments. Never built.
https://time.com/5528095/california-high-speed-rail/
Two miles of tunnel in Seattle: Half a decade of delays and a billion over estimates.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/berthas-woes-grind-on-more-delay-higher-cost-for-highway-99-tunnel/
20 miles of rail in Honolulu. Projected to cost three billion. Now over nine billion.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-20-mile-train-line-swelled-into-a-9-billion-debacle-11553270393
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:25 am to Anaximander
quote:20 miles...that is nearly half a billion per mile.
20 miles of rail in Honolulu. Projected to cost three billion. Now over nine billion.
This shite right here is why.
There is no reason for it to be that expensive.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:26 am to 50_Tiger
Okay, I get all the negativity about corrupt policitians.
But grousing about that ain't getting anything built. What is a realistic solution that could put shovels in the ground NOW?
("Cut medicaid" is not a realistic solution. "Eliminate waste" is not a realistic solution. I mean, unless you can identify specifically what you would cut. Which nobody can or will do.)
But grousing about that ain't getting anything built. What is a realistic solution that could put shovels in the ground NOW?
("Cut medicaid" is not a realistic solution. "Eliminate waste" is not a realistic solution. I mean, unless you can identify specifically what you would cut. Which nobody can or will do.)
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:27 am to Slippy
quote:
What is a realistic solution that could put shovels in the ground NOW?
putting a hard cap on projects?
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:29 am to Slippy
quote:
Why is there no longer any political will for big public works projects?
Because anytime government gets its tentacles in something, the finished product is of less quality and more expensive, and takes substantially longer than promised.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:29 am to Slippy
It’s more lucrative for these fricks to do “studies” using their friends and family.
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