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re: Why is there no longer any political will for big public works projects?

Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138845 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to
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99.9% of conservatives in this state would support public works if it was guaranteed not to be a corrupt clusterfrick that will end up costing 3x what it should and still ending up half-assed.


Low bid + open wallet to approve bullshite change orders = SOP
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:08 am to
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Because they require tax money, which usually means a tax increase somewhere


They could find the money if they wanted to. No tax increase necessary.

Posted by fillmoregandt
OTM
Member since Nov 2009
14368 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:09 am to
Because smart people that get shite done aren’t in politics.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:11 am to
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I'll blame the govt before the tax paying residents


This doesn't fix the failing infrastructure of the entire state nor allow for a plan to actually bring it into the 21st Century.

There is ZERO reason why LA is in the predicament it is in.

It should be on par with Texas due to sharing of similar resources, albeit to a lesser degree because of size.



Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
6044 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:12 am to
We've all witnessed the shitshow that is road construction in our state. Hwy 42 in Prairieville will not be complete until 2020 and will have taken well over 5 years to 4 lane 3.2 miles. 3.2 fricking miles! All road construction in La goes to the lowest bidder, regardless of their reputation or past performance. The only exception is companies that boycott Israel. Whew, so glad they got that critical piece of legislation through. If only they cared as much about us as they do about the people of Israel.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78005 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:14 am to
Another example is the rail line in California.

That insanity ballooned to cost $89 million per mile.

That is insane.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:17 am to
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Another example is the rail line in California.
Precisely.

It's the poster child for Government involvement in modern large infrastructure projects.

The Big Dig in Boston is another. Cost overruns were almost 200%.

These projects just cannot be built efficiently with modern concerns and government.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74880 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:18 am to
Texas is a more unified state.
There is a huge divide between the north and south priorities in Louisiana.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78005 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:19 am to
Yea, the Cali high speed rail went from $33 billion to nearly $80 billion.

All levels of US government suck massively at this.

Nothing is efficient and everything is overpriced.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:20 am to
This is why private with a toll is the way to go.

Someone mentioned to me at work the other day that NTTA has to make projects within a certain timeframe or they start paying fines.

Not sure how true that is, but that would certainly keep a builder honest.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
178330 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:21 am to
Muh soil conditions baw
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:23 am to
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This is why private with a toll is the way to go.


The prohibitive costs of modern projects make it that you almost have to have some mechanism to recover some of the cost. Outside of standard construction, maintenance. is prohibitively expensive and many projects defer maintenance
because of it.

Just catching up on deferred maintenance in the USA would probably cost a trillion dollars or more.
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7878 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:23 am to
The emphasis from government & politicians running it ( essentially one and the same) is now on public welfare giveaways and not infrastructure maintenance and improvement because giveaways are where the votes are.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
151549 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:24 am to
Yeah but I'd rather shitty bridges than having to live amongst Cowboy fans




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Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:24 am to
because politicians in 2019 are a combination of corrupt and inept that one cannot trust with a nickel.


The Big Dig in Boston. Projected to cost $2.5 Billion and ended up at over $24 billion and finished 8 years beyond schedule. There is debate as to if it even helped traffic.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2012/07/12/7-things-that-cost-less-than-the-big-dig


California high speed rail. Projected to cost $77 billion. Tens of billions spent by time scrapped but much got diverted away to be wasted by local governments. Never built.

https://time.com/5528095/california-high-speed-rail/

Two miles of tunnel in Seattle: Half a decade of delays and a billion over estimates.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/berthas-woes-grind-on-more-delay-higher-cost-for-highway-99-tunnel/



20 miles of rail in Honolulu. Projected to cost three billion. Now over nine billion.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-20-mile-train-line-swelled-into-a-9-billion-debacle-11553270393






Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78005 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:25 am to
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20 miles of rail in Honolulu. Projected to cost three billion. Now over nine billion.
20 miles...that is nearly half a billion per mile.

This shite right here is why.

There is no reason for it to be that expensive.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:26 am
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
7833 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:26 am to
Okay, I get all the negativity about corrupt policitians.

But grousing about that ain't getting anything built. What is a realistic solution that could put shovels in the ground NOW?

("Cut medicaid" is not a realistic solution. "Eliminate waste" is not a realistic solution. I mean, unless you can identify specifically what you would cut. Which nobody can or will do.)
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86706 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:27 am to
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What is a realistic solution that could put shovels in the ground NOW?


putting a hard cap on projects?
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Why is there no longer any political will for big public works projects?


Because anytime government gets its tentacles in something, the finished product is of less quality and more expensive, and takes substantially longer than promised.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32432 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:29 am to
It’s more lucrative for these fricks to do “studies” using their friends and family.
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