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re: Why does traffic on interstates ever come to a stop?

Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:44 am to
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:44 am to
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The most frustrating part of it in ATL is when you're creeping along for 25-35 minutes and expect some horrific wreck or something when you reach the point where traffic is clearing and there's...nothing. Traffic just magically clears. No tow trucks. No cops. No bumpers lying on the roadway. There's just this magic point in the road where the congestion clears.

You're singing the song of my people. Drives me insane every time.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15162 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:45 am to
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I was semi joking, but I believe truckers are instructed to do that.



I'm not a trucker, but I believe the reason truckers move over for people getting on the interstate is not out of some kind of courtesy. Asshat is getting on the interstate at a slower speed than the trucker. He either gears downs and slows down or runs the dumbass over.

That being said, nothing quite irritates me more than a trucker passing another truck, going uphill. They end up side by side for a few miles while traffic backs up behind them. The end result is the passing truck is now 1 truck length ahead. I guess getting to the next stop .1 second sooner has to have some kind of advantage.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
38673 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:47 am to
Every morning I get on I-12 West and have to force my way into the left lane because the I-10 East off-ramp is coming up on the right, causing the right and middle lanes to come to a stop.

Of course the right lane should stop, if there is heavy traffic moving to I-10. But the middle lane stops due to the morons who wait till the last second to get in the right lane. Even the left lane slows down, sometimes to a stop, because some idiot realizes he's on the wrong side of the interstate for his exit, or just because the other two lanes have stopped and they think that means they should cautiously slow down to a crawl.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:47 am to
My biased opinion of what happens? You telling me that when cars merge, the other cars they merge in front of don't have to slow down?

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Try it with 45 cars.


doesn't matter if you try it with 450 cars.

The flowrate through a choke point will always be greater if the cars are lined up straight and don't have to slow down and execute merges.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 8:52 am
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:48 am to
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Qualcomm you mean? They're getting out of the elog biz last I heard. Peoplenet is the big provider now.


Yeah you old school cause you got that.

Actually Qualcomm sold off that division in '13. Which was their orginal division, and Qualcomm wouldnt exist without it. So another reason to thank the trucking industry.

The new company is called Omnitracs (after the first Qualcomm product name I believe). They are still the bigger player though, with Peoplenet for ELDs. Those 2 own the market with the big boys still. Lots of new little players though, but probably fizzle eventually. Lots of freaking data to manage.

So you/your company use Peoplenet? Thoughts on the eld mandate now that it's a year-ish in?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:51 am to
You can’t be serious man. Zipper merge maximizes the capacity of the road. Traffic occurs mostly when roads are over capacity. Wasting a lane by merging early decreases the capacity. By its very definition, zipper merging decreases traffic.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:55 am to
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Zipper merge maximizes the capacity of the road.


Zipper merge causes slower flowrate through a choke point.

The length of the traffic line may be shorter, but it will definitely take longer to get everyone through the choke as opposed to if they'd had just lined up when they first saw traffic stacking and moved through as a single unit.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7747 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:27 am to
Zipper merging requires everyone to have an IQ greater than 83.... that is why it fails.
Posted by tss22h8
30.4 N 90.9 W
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:29 am to
Most interstate highways don't have traffic.

The word "traffic" implies movement.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:34 am to
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Thoughts on the eld mandate now that it's a year-ish


I've been using elogs for the better part of a decade so it didnt really impact me. I got out of refrigerated freight years ago because of the inefficiency if food shippers and receivers combined with the 14 hour clock. Dry and flatbed is the way to go as a company driver until the perishable businesses realize that scheduling an appointment time for 2pm but not unloading that driver until 7pm isnt good for the industry.
Posted by CptRusty
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11740 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:02 am to
No, it fails becaus it’s an inferior method. The fact that the road is filled with morons compounds the problem.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17878 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:03 am to
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dealing with people merging onto an interstate at 35 mph


This is one of the things I never understand about people. I make sure I’m at least up to 60 mph when I’m on the ramp that merges onto the interstate. I hate being stuck behind people who go 35-40mph to merge onto the interstate. It isn’t safe and it fricks up everything for people on the interstate
Posted by rilesrick
Member since Mar 2015
6704 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:04 am to
They ain’t all hooked together like aTrain ........Human factor
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:11 am to
Yeah makes sense for sure. New tech potential in the industry going to help there....if done right and catches on.

Trucking companies need the ability to push these DCs to do so. Which they havent been able to get done.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:16 am to
One of the primary reasons is people driving too close to each other. Tailgating. When someone hits the brakes it travels back for miles. It is exprapolated when someone has to slow to a stop for some reason. If people didn't drive up people's arses this could be almost avoided completely and one person braking doesn't cause a cascade effect.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13965 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:19 am to
Because of speeding.
A person who is speeding who comes up on slower traffic has to brake harder than one who is not speeding. The harder stopping causes the person behind them to brake harder and this continues going back until someone has to come to a complete stop. Then everyone behind them has to come to a complete stop.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39218 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:23 am to
Honestly, driving a stick shift has made me realize how aggressive I was in an automatic. If everyone would leave enough room for other cars to safely merge over there would be no issue. I rarely have to use my breaks now even in traffic because I leave enough room in front of me. No more yo-yo traffic for this guy.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
45512 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:27 am to
I've always wondered why it takes so long to get going at a green light. I seems that if everyone hit the gas as soon as the light turns green they could all go but that doesn't even come close to happening in real life. I guess it has to do with the light having to travel the extra distance to reach the cars further back?
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:41 am to
1) People are pussy drivers. Slamming on breaks for no reason, slowing down for no reason, etc...

2) Slow drivers in the left lane.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:49 am to
agreed, there is a 5 mile stretch of I-12 between hammond and slidell that goes from 80mph to complete stop as traffic merges into it every single day regardless of what day it is.

for no frickin reason at all no cops doing radar, no break downs, no accidents, no hot woman standing on side of road broken down, just complete halt to forward motion because 50 people in front of you come to a complete stop for no reason other then 50 people in front of them come to a complete stop for no frickin reason and 50 people in front of them come to a complete stop for no frickin reason.

once you pass this stretch its instantly 80 mph traffic flow again as you wonder why you spent 30 minutes of your day idling for the last 5 miles
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