re: Why do you believe that we should be driving electric vehicles?

Because my Tesla has autopilot.

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Let me help you out kid, if you want lithium in the amounts required to supply the whole country in electric vehicles, you’re gonna have to move a whole lot of dirt.

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The majority of the known recoverable lithium is not in pegmatites but in brine. But you do you old man.

There is no reason to ignore the revolution happening in energy storage if you need a good reason that has nothing to do with the EV itself not pursuing EVs is the perfect way to ceding control to China and giving up one more competitive edge. Is that what you really want?

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smog filled conditions

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Just how do you think they make that wonderful thing called electricity?

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Fossil fuel power plants are roughly twice as efficient as the engine in your car. Accounting for line losses, charge losses, and efficiency of the EV itself, it's still about 50% more efficient to run an EV on purely fossil fuel electricity than to burn them in an ICE engine directly. It's also easier to mitigate at a central power station than across thousands of vehicles. So that's kind of worst case improvement of EV over ICE, and of course it gets better as the mix goes more renewable.

I don;t

Not when it’s forced by the government. If the market dictates electric cars then we’ll end up there. The government should not be paying for any electric infrastructure.

I have a real concern the waste materials will end up being far worse for the environment than we know.

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your obsession largely on this board leads me to believe you’ve had your mind made up way before having any real info

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I am no different than the OP, my mind is made up, it is possible I could change, but nothing I have read in this thread or a hundred others like it has convinced me EVs are something that is even needed. EV proponents are like politicians they have a set of talking points, and I’ve heard them all.

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fully electric vehicles can last soooo much longer than a combustible engine

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Yeah we definitely do NOT know the longevity of electric vehicles on a massive/US-wide scale. It may turn out to be true, but as of now this is a silly statement

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I have a real concern the waste materials will end up being far worse for the environment than we know

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In all seriousness, you will probably burn through equal amounts of lithium ion batteries during every day use and throw away over the life of the car.

The car lithium ion has a better chance of being saved and recycled than the 10 rechargeable devices you throw away every year.

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This is the thing that gets me with this board. EVs present an incredible opportunity for American domination of a rapidly growing industry. An industry that japan is wayyy behind in. And the Patriots of the OT hate them. Hilarious.

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A lot of folks around here depend on the O&G industry.

I think people don't get the potential for drastically reducing the cost of energy, and what that will do for an economy. With FF energy you have to constantly feed the beast, every unit of output requires a unit of input that costs money. Wind, solar, tidal, and other renewables don't have that unit cost. The vast majority of the expense is the initial investment. This same calculation plays out whether you own an EV or if you install solar panels or if you build a large renewable energy plant. Everything we do requires energy, and everything we build is embodied energy, so cheap and stable energy costs lubricates an economy.

They are fast as frick