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re: Why did the French Revolution devolve into such bloodshed & not the American Revolution?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:35 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:35 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You've gotta think though, the Brits losing America has got to be possibly their biggest mistake ever, right?
Meh, not really. The British Empire would pivot to Asia, and the eventual return of trade between Great Britain and the US would prove to be a really good thing for Great Britain.
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I'm doing a paper on Marxist theory of criticism and historical criticism on Tale of Two Cities that's what kind of led me to make the thread.
You’re gonna fail if you criticize Marxism in a college course
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:39 pm to GetCocky11
that, and ruling a people of equal industrial and intellectual abilities from 3000 miles away was never going to work unless there was true harmony between the colonies and the King. the “revolution” was factually almost inevitable
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:40 pm to genro
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History is written by the victors. The "French Revolution" was a proto-Commie civil war and overthrow
Exactly. They changed the calendar, shut down churches, etc.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:41 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
In the French Revolution people with horrible body odor were targeted hence all the deaths.
In the American revolution, body odor and wooden teeth were a badge of honor.
In the American revolution, body odor and wooden teeth were a badge of honor.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:42 pm to biglego
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You’re gonna fail if you criticize Marxism in a college course
I'm not criticizing Marxism, I'm using the Marxist approach to criticism of the book. The book is rife with class warfare.
During class one day I asked the professor "Would it be wise to use something like Marxist criticism, even if you hate Karl Marx and absolutely abhor everything he stood for? Even though the book I'm reading is full of class warfare."
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:52 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
They were far from the same. The Colonies had developed their own culture and customs; they were British subjects but British in name only. They were fighting a war to break away their lands from a global empire. In that scope, the Revolutionary War WAS very bloody. The violence at home between Patriots and Tories is not widely covered in history books, but it was grisly. You could be dragged from your home by your neighbors, you and your sons killed, any livestock taken, your home and crops burned, leaving your wife and daughters destitute and starving. All of that because you did or did not support the revolution, or didn’t support it fervently enough.
France’s revolution was a revolt to overthrow a rather hedonistic monarchy and nobility that wallowed in ridiculous luxury (for the time period), while the masses had to fight for bread. It was not people outraged over a tax that was levied against them, these were people who lived in poverty with little to eat while the other 2 estates (The Nobility and The Clergy) grew rich off of the labor and work of the masses. Add in the fact that Louis XVI was a weak and ineffective ruler, and it was a recipe for disaster.
Long story short, there was not the opportunity for the American Revolution to devolve into bloodshed like the Reign of Terror, because they did not overthrow King George. The colonies forced Britain to recognize their independence.
France’s revolution was a revolt to overthrow a rather hedonistic monarchy and nobility that wallowed in ridiculous luxury (for the time period), while the masses had to fight for bread. It was not people outraged over a tax that was levied against them, these were people who lived in poverty with little to eat while the other 2 estates (The Nobility and The Clergy) grew rich off of the labor and work of the masses. Add in the fact that Louis XVI was a weak and ineffective ruler, and it was a recipe for disaster.
Long story short, there was not the opportunity for the American Revolution to devolve into bloodshed like the Reign of Terror, because they did not overthrow King George. The colonies forced Britain to recognize their independence.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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bloodshed
There was plenty of bloodshed in the American Revolution. It was a full blown war
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:03 pm to crispyUGA
Yes, very well said.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:13 pm to Celery
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There was plenty of bloodshed in the American Revolution. It was a full blown war
Surely you can understand what I meant, right?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:15 pm to crispyUGA
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The violence at home between Patriots and Tories is not widely covered in history books, but it was grisly
Go look up Bloody Bill Cunningham of South Carolina. He terrorized SC during the war.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:16 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
In hindsight.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:18 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Why did the French Revolution devolve into such bloodshed & not the American Revolution?
they were equally bloody, but the French deaths were condensed into a shorter time span.
it could be said that the french revolution was much more personal than the american. the 3rd estate(normal french citizens) saw the dividing line between them and the aristocracy as something that could never be breached, they literally had no access to the king and no representation
Louis 16 DNGAF about anything having to do with the 3rd estate, but they had called for a meeting of the 3 estates and he obliged. he humored them but would not grant them what they wanted, a constitution with a separation of powers and a parliamentary body formed.
The commoners split and made an oath to establish a constitution and make Louis listen to them. But as they were gathering support from the other estates to make it a more peaceful process, Louis sent in the army and all hell broke loose.
It devolved into commoner vs nobility, and we know how the rest turned out.
the french revolution happened much quicker and over a much, much sorter span of time. americans had years to write books, pamphlets, gather together and build an army, a constitution, a solid plan to take on the british.
the french had very little time to prepare, there was little to no structure and planning involved before shite got real
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:22 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
In France, the revolution turned on itself in a sort of counter-Revolution known as the Reign of Terror.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:23 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Jacobins
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:24 pm to Masterag
Also the nobility had close ties to all the empires; Habsburg, Prussian, Russian, Sweden, and Britain. All of the monarchies feared the spread of revolution onto their soils.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:34 pm to crispyUGA
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Long story short, there was not the opportunity for the American Revolution to devolve into bloodshed like the Reign of Terror, because they did not overthrow King George. The colonies forced Britain to recognize their independence.
Your whole synopsis is really good.
There was also a new world separation aspect vs. old world geographic aspect that differentiates the revolutions.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:35 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Also the nobility had close ties to all the empires; Habsburg, Prussian, Russian, Sweden, and Britain. All of the monarchies feared the spread of revolution onto their soils.
While also supporting different destabilizing forces inside France
Here is a AskHistorians thread on this very topic
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:39 pm to Dire Wolf
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While also supporting different destabilizing forces inside France
Yes, such as Toulon.
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