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re: Why did Lincoln give a carve out to the River Parish baws on slavery?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:34 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:34 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Lincoln's party was anti-slavery. He ran on that. Except it was only used as a political weapon to start a war against his own citizens.
Jan 9, 1861, Confederate batteries fire upon the unarmed merchant ship Star of the West, chartered to supply fort Sumter in Charleston harbor. The opening shot of the Civil War, and it was fired by Confederates.
My ancestors fought for the Confederacy, too. It's ok to acknowledge their courage and sacrifice while also acknowledging that this issue has been settled for 157 years. The Constitution was unclear on whether states could secede. Both sides were dead set in their belief that their interpretation was correct and neither would give an inch. So it was decided on the battlefield. End of debate. The Union is indivisible.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 3:59 pm
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:37 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Union is indivisible.
The Abe haterz are going to start kneeling during the pledge of allegiance.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:37 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Union is indivisible.
So the Confederacy was kicking arse until LSU's first president was called up by Lincoln and blazed a trail from Vicksburg, via Atlanta to Charleston, SC, right?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:40 pm to GumboPot
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So the Confederacy was kicking arse until LSU's first president was called up by Lincoln and blazed a trail from Vicksburg, via Atlanta to Charleston, SC, right?
Lsjws first president played the Black Lives Matter anthem and bitch I’m from Louisiana during battles just like they play them during football games today
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:41 pm to el Gaucho
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:55 pm to Jim Rockford
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My ancestors fought for the Confederacy, too. It's ok to acknowledge their courage and sacrifice while also acknowledging that this issue has been settled for 157 years. The Constitution was unclear on whether states could secede. Both sides sere dead set in their belief that their interpretation was correct and neither would give an inch. So it was decided on the battlefield. End of debate. The Union is indivisible.
This is of course a very pragmatic approach to the issue. However, as Lincoln has been lionized by one side, he's been demonized by the other.
And the central theme of the demonization is 1) The States had the right to unilaterally secede, and 2) Lincoln is a tyrant who failed to respect that right.
That's why Lincoln is blamed for "starting" the war, along with all of the death and misery that resulted from it. Which is also why people can't let it go.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:01 pm to GumboPot
Lincoln didn’t free a single slave that he had the power to free. Only slaves in the Confederacy where they didn’t recognize his authority.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:01 pm to GumboPot
The Emancipation Proclamation was done to keep Europe out of the war. It didn't do anything for slavery.
I'd wager 5% of Americans know which amendment ended slavery.
I'd wager 5% of Americans know which amendment ended slavery.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:09 pm to Rubberbandman21
Six states seceded from the Union before Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated. Six states who didn't even attempt to find a peaceful and political solution before the highest elected officer in one branch of government took control.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:16 pm to GumboPot
Slavery post on Martin Luther King Day?
High insensitivity
Low EQ
Just random Monday post
High insensitivity
Low EQ
Just random Monday post
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
I just read John Brown's biography "Patriotic Treason" and I was fascinated to read that while a lot of the North/Free States were antislavery, they were still antiblack. They just didn't believe in any man being slave to another. A lot of them believed they should be sent back to Africa and they founded Liberia, but then they would were raided by other tribes as they didn't relate well, and they had disproportionate rights and power than native born Africans. Quite the ironic twist.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:29 pm to GumboPot
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This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:38 pm to GumboPot
Most people are under the impression that the emancipation proclamation freed slaves. Because the American education system has been garbage for decades.
It freed slaves in confederate controlled territories.
It was laughed at in England and France for what it was, a petty attempt to start massive slave rebellions.
Lincoln was a tyrant and a war criminal.
It freed slaves in confederate controlled territories.
It was laughed at in England and France for what it was, a petty attempt to start massive slave rebellions.
Lincoln was a tyrant and a war criminal.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:48 pm to Rubberbandman21
quote:Please define the geographic regions in which Lincoln had the power to free slaves, giving due regard to Articles I and II as well as the Fifth and Thirteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution.
Lincoln didn’t free a single slave that he had the power to free. Only slaves in the Confederacy where they didn’t recognize his authority.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 2:55 pm to GumboPot
quote:Are you saying that Juneteenth should not apply to these areas? Interesting.
Why did Lincoln give a carve out to the River Parish baws on slavery?
Posted by GumboPot online on 1/16/23 at 12:29 pm
And other jurisdictions of rebellious states: quote: Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans)
Posted on 1/16/23 at 3:04 pm to Buryl
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Since the Southern states seceded, wouldn't that make them foreign states? Meaning the Constitution would no longer apply, and the seceding states and citizens would no longer benefit from ANY constitutional protections.
Not in reality. A basic tenant of International Law is sovereignty of states and recognition by other Sovereign states as a sovereign state.
The CSA was not recognized as a Sovereign state by any other of the major states (France, Britain, Spain, German States, Russian Empire, Japan). They all recognized the USA claimed jurisdiction over the rebellious states and most importantly the USA did not recognize the CSA as a sovereign entity and neither did anyone else.
In more modern terms think of the CSA as Biafra during the Nigerian Civil War or ISIL or North Cyprus now. Basically no one recognizes North Cyprus except for Turkey and the rest of the world does not.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 3:10 pm to GumboPot
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Slavery was being outlawed around western and South American civilized areas on their own without civil war because it was immoral and mechanization was starting to take over.
Apples and oranges. Slavery was nowhere near as prevalent in South America and Europe as it was in the American South. The southern economy was the fourth largest in the world in 1860. It was an agricultural-based economy that relied heavily on chattel slavery. They had not yet industrialized to the level of those nations that had abolished slavery in the decades prior to the Civil War.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 3:13 pm to GumboPot
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The Civil War was unnecessary
IMHO, that is why 160 years ago reconciliation was so rapid and common (particularly as compared to other civil wars are wars of secession), the North knew they fricked up with the promotion of this war.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 3:19 pm to captdalton
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Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war.
Fact
Lincoln was not an abolitionist at all.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 3:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Lincoln was not an abolitionist at all.
No serious historian has ever claimed this.
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