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Why did Lincoln give a carve out to the River Parish baws on slavery?

Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:29 pm
And other jurisdictions of rebellious states:

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Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer">, and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:35 pm to
The River Parishes were occupied by Union troops. No areas under Union control were affected by the Proclamation - most notably the border states of Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Lincoln didn't want to incite the slaves states that were still in the Union.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:38 pm to
The Battle of Boutte Station!
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:42 pm to
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The River Parishes were occupied by Union troops.


So the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to Union occupied areas?
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:47 pm to
No. It didnt
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:47 pm to
No, it did not. It was a political move on his part.

Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war.

In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:47 pm to
Nope. It freed slaves in Confederate areas.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war. In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."


That kind of shits all over the narrative that the war was started over slavery
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:00 pm to
Union occupied areas were not in rebellion at the time. The Proclamation was part of the war effort - akin to seizing or destroying enemy property. There would not be the same justification for doing this in places not in rebellion/at war with the Union.

(I'm not arguing for or against this validity of this justification. Just saying what it was.)
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:02 pm to
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Nope. It freed slaves in Confederate areas.


And seeing as the confederacy was well within its rights to break off from DC, what he did was grossly unconstitutional and frick him for it. That piece of shite exponentially grew the power of the federal government more than any single president in history until FDR.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:03 pm to
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That kind of shits all over the narrative that the war was started over slavery



The argument that supports the narrative of slavery is a lot of the confederate states state in their secession documents that slavery was one of the reasons to leave the union. So the narrative is not cut and dry. It's highly nuanced.

All I know is the civil war was unnecessary in terms of slavery. Slavery was being outlawed around western and South American civilized areas on their own without civil war because it was immoral and mechanization was starting to take over. Mechanization was getting cheaper than slaves. The Civil War was unnecessary and too costly.
Posted by Turf Taint
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:08 pm to
Why is everybody badmouthing our nations first lgbt president for today
Posted by Turf Taint
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Shits on narrative that war started over slavery


The word “Emancipation”, in particular, in said Proclamation, and its 1st para, suggests how powerful a factor slavery was in the war’s purpose, sequence notwithstanding.

Just think about this nation’s heart from a lens where slavery is not a primary factor of the war. American exceptionalism no more.



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That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:17 pm to
Because of how sugarcane was harvested.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

The argument that supports the narrative of slavery is a lot of the confederate states state in their secession documents that slavery was one of the reasons to leave the union. So the narrative is not cut and dry. It's highly nuanced.


Lincoln's party was anti-slavery. He ran on that. Except it was only used as a political weapon to start a war against his own citizens.
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:23 pm to
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And seeing as the confederacy was well within its rights to break off from DC, what he did was grossly unconstitutional and frick him for it. That piece of shite exponentially grew the power of the federal government more than any single president in history until FDR.


Since the Southern states seceded, wouldn't that make them foreign states? Meaning the Constitution would no longer apply, and the seceding states and citizens would no longer benefit from ANY constitutional protections.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted by doc baklava
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:24 pm to
I see someone also watched Razorfist's most recent magnum opus.

I wondered the same.
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:29 pm to
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Why is everybody badmouthing our nations first lgbt president for today

Lincoln may have been LGBTQ, but he definitely wasn’t the first. James Buchanan was certainly gay. There were a lot of rumors around a few other 19th century presidents as well.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:30 pm to
We know Lincoln is lgbt because he went to plays and was a yankee
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