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Why did Lincoln give a carve out to the River Parish baws on slavery?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:29 pm
And other jurisdictions of rebellious states:
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Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer">, and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:35 pm to GumboPot
The River Parishes were occupied by Union troops. No areas under Union control were affected by the Proclamation - most notably the border states of Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Lincoln didn't want to incite the slaves states that were still in the Union.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:38 pm to GumboPot
The Battle of Boutte Station!
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:42 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The River Parishes were occupied by Union troops.
So the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to Union occupied areas?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:47 pm to GumboPot
No, it did not. It was a political move on his part.
Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war.
In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."
Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war.
In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:47 pm to GumboPot
Nope. It freed slaves in Confederate areas.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 12:56 pm to captdalton
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Lincoln said he did not care about the issue of slavery, he cared about winning the war. In August 1862, Lincoln stated: "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."
That kind of shits all over the narrative that the war was started over slavery
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:00 pm to captdalton
Union occupied areas were not in rebellion at the time. The Proclamation was part of the war effort - akin to seizing or destroying enemy property. There would not be the same justification for doing this in places not in rebellion/at war with the Union.
(I'm not arguing for or against this validity of this justification. Just saying what it was.)
(I'm not arguing for or against this validity of this justification. Just saying what it was.)
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:02 pm to therick711
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Nope. It freed slaves in Confederate areas.
And seeing as the confederacy was well within its rights to break off from DC, what he did was grossly unconstitutional and frick him for it. That piece of shite exponentially grew the power of the federal government more than any single president in history until FDR.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:03 pm to deltaland
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That kind of shits all over the narrative that the war was started over slavery
The argument that supports the narrative of slavery is a lot of the confederate states state in their secession documents that slavery was one of the reasons to leave the union. So the narrative is not cut and dry. It's highly nuanced.
All I know is the civil war was unnecessary in terms of slavery. Slavery was being outlawed around western and South American civilized areas on their own without civil war because it was immoral and mechanization was starting to take over. Mechanization was getting cheaper than slaves. The Civil War was unnecessary and too costly.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:08 pm to GumboPot
Why is everybody badmouthing our nations first lgbt president for today
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:13 pm to deltaland
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Shits on narrative that war started over slavery
The word “Emancipation”, in particular, in said Proclamation, and its 1st para, suggests how powerful a factor slavery was in the war’s purpose, sequence notwithstanding.
Just think about this nation’s heart from a lens where slavery is not a primary factor of the war. American exceptionalism no more.
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That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:17 pm to GumboPot
Because of how sugarcane was harvested.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:18 pm to GumboPot
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The argument that supports the narrative of slavery is a lot of the confederate states state in their secession documents that slavery was one of the reasons to leave the union. So the narrative is not cut and dry. It's highly nuanced.
Lincoln's party was anti-slavery. He ran on that. Except it was only used as a political weapon to start a war against his own citizens.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:23 pm to grizzlylongcut
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And seeing as the confederacy was well within its rights to break off from DC, what he did was grossly unconstitutional and frick him for it. That piece of shite exponentially grew the power of the federal government more than any single president in history until FDR.
Since the Southern states seceded, wouldn't that make them foreign states? Meaning the Constitution would no longer apply, and the seceding states and citizens would no longer benefit from ANY constitutional protections.
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:24 pm to GumboPot
I see someone also watched Razorfist's most recent magnum opus.
I wondered the same.
I wondered the same.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:29 pm to el Gaucho
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Why is everybody badmouthing our nations first lgbt president for today
Lincoln may have been LGBTQ, but he definitely wasn’t the first. James Buchanan was certainly gay. There were a lot of rumors around a few other 19th century presidents as well.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 1:30 pm to kingbob
We know Lincoln is lgbt because he went to plays and was a yankee
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