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re: Why can't (or don't) automakers create a truck with great gas mileage?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:47 am to mizzoukills
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:47 am to mizzoukills
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36 or more miles to the gallon
that's aiming pretty damn high dude, for any make and model.
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:53 am to NoBoBullDog
quote:You dumb, HP is simply a function of torque based on RPM. Most diesels do no rev to 5252 rpm so the HP will always be less than torque. 369 ft-lb is plenty for a mid sized truck.
Chevy is only 180HP!
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:07 am to surprisewitness
No, I realize that tourque is what you buy a diesel for but for a $3,700 premium over the 300HP V6....that is dumb.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:10 am to mizzoukills
The dodge 1500 I drive for work is averaging 20 miles to the gallon right now. Not too bad
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:14 am to mizzoukills
If you put out your best, you can't sell something better a year later. Gotta wait for engineers to design, build, and test again. Sort of like buying a cell phone. You are getting stuff that they came up with 2 years ago, but are just releasing it
FTR, I went fromy 11-12mpg in my last truck to 21 with about $1500 in aftermarket accessories. If I babied it, I could get 24
FTR, I went fromy 11-12mpg in my last truck to 21 with about $1500 in aftermarket accessories. If I babied it, I could get 24
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:17 am to NoBoBullDog
Diesels are always a huge premium
I noticed that the difference in a Ford F-250 6.2L gas vs the power stroke diesel is something like 7800 bucks
I noticed that the difference in a Ford F-250 6.2L gas vs the power stroke diesel is something like 7800 bucks
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:35 am to mizzoukills
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I feel pretty confident that an automaker could create at least a midsize pickup truck that gets 36 or more miles to the gallon, but I'm not a mechanic so perhaps I'm wrong.
Gotta bring the El Camino back to get the aerodynamics right.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:37 am to Hammertime
What did you add?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:25 pm to NoBoBullDog
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tourque is what you buy a diesel for but for a $3,700 premium over the 300HP V6....that is dumb.
Maybe if you're a vain idiot who likes big numbers like how a bird likes shiny things.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:16 pm to NoBoBullDog
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No, I realize that tourque is what you buy a diesel for but for a $3,700 premium over the 300HP V6....that is dumb.
And you have to rev that engine to over 6000 rpms to make that 300 hp. Bottom line is that the diesel and turbo gassers like the ecoboost will make much more power at the lower-mid rpm range where its most useful for a truck. If you enjoy revving the shite out of an engine to get your jollies buy a sports car.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:18 pm to mizzoukills
People who own trucks don't worry about gas mileage...
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:34 pm to N2cars
I had a 1997 4x4 Chevy with a 350 that would average 18 on my drive to grand isle. 8 years later my dad has a new 4x4 Chevy that will get 18 on the best day. The difference is that his probably has 100 more hp than mine did with a smaller engine.
Hell, I had a 94 two wheel drive 1500 that would get 22mpg on the interstate.
40mpg in a full size truck would be easy with today's tech if people would show an interest (with their wallets) in slower, less powerful trucks that got better mileage. Everyone is using their wallets to vote for bigger trucks with more power, so that's what will be built.
Hell, I had a 94 two wheel drive 1500 that would get 22mpg on the interstate.
40mpg in a full size truck would be easy with today's tech if people would show an interest (with their wallets) in slower, less powerful trucks that got better mileage. Everyone is using their wallets to vote for bigger trucks with more power, so that's what will be built.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:47 pm to jimbeam
Got rid of emissions stuff, programmer, and an intake. Didn't have aftermarket exhaust
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:48 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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40mpg in a full size truck would be easy with today's tech if people would show an interest (with their wallets) in slower, less powerful trucks that got better mileage. Everyone is using their wallets to vote for bigger trucks with more power, so that's what will be built.
I really don't think it's possible to get 40mpg in a 5000lb truck with gasoline engine. Too much weight and poor aerodynamics. MAYBE... with a small diesel engine that isn't choked down with pollution controls and is designed for fuel milage and not towing. shite my 7500lb 2500 diesel is capable of 25mpg highway if I drive it in a manner to maximize milage.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:53 pm to SG_Geaux
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Because what truck owners think of as a truck and want to buy are big and heavy and not as aerodynamic.
FIFY
Trucks could be made much more aerodynamic and still have decent hauling capacity. Examples:
Chevrolet El Camino
Ford Ranchero
Subaru Legacy Outback Baja
Other examples of more streamlined trucks are out there like the Honda Ridgeline and Chevy Avalanche, but the gas mileage didn't exactly overwhelm.
Other options like turbine powered electric drive systems could probably produce much better mileage (one example: LINK), but you'd never make up the equipment cost with the fuel savings.
I'll be interested to see what kind of mileage the upcoming iteration of the El Camino can muster, not that I would ever buy one.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:53 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You drive like a grandma
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:55 pm to BoostAddict
There's no reason that with direct injection and turbochargers we couldn't get 40mpg in a full sized truck with a gas engine. We would just have to revert back to manual transmissions and higher gears and people accepting that they can't haul arse everywhere.
No matter what we do, the single biggest variable in fuel economy is the drivers right foot.
No matter what we do, the single biggest variable in fuel economy is the drivers right foot.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 1:59 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:i disagree...40mpg is difficult to achieve in a fullsize car,let alone a fullsize truck,and i don't mean cruising empty..trucks are made to haul shite and pull trailers.that eco boost is badass and all,but a few people tell me once you hook a decent size trailer to it, they are getting 10-12..same as my '10 5.4 v8
40mpg in a full size truck would be easy with today's tech if people would show an interest (with their wallets) in slower, less powerful trucks that got better mileage.
the technology is just not quite there yet,but it's getting better.Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:02 pm to mizzoukills
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I feel pretty confident that an automaker could create at least a midsize pickup truck that gets 36 or more miles to the gallon, but I'm not a mechanic so perhaps I'm wrong.
the "wants" of the average truck buyer lag behind those of the bohemian and left-coast cultures.
soccer moms do not buy trucks.
all kinds of things are "possible". the market dictates reality.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 2:07 pm to bigrob385series
I'd like to know what they could manufacture if emissions weren't a requirement.
I'm sure we could make something close to 40 mpg, but it probably wouldn't be a very clean engine
I'm sure we could make something close to 40 mpg, but it probably wouldn't be a very clean engine
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