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Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:41 am to Klark Kent
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i still think most of the principles and administrators are drastically overpaid based on their resumes.
ohh i agree on the money being spent in the wrong places being the main problem. a lot of it's on silly outdated programs the kids nowadays don't give a shite about or don't need.
like at my wife's school. they full time employ 4 theater teachers. wtf?
I don't mind paying teachers more if there are proven results. Then again, you can put the best teachers in the worst schools and not much would change if the kids' home life is bad.
That's why charter schools are a great idea. Separate the kids who have potential from the ones that probably won't graduate and will likely end up in jail.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:42 am to volod
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But yes, not paying more for years of experience does not exactly inspire loyalty.
Not getting your arse fired when you suck at your job sure does, though.
Wife (no pics) is an elementary teacher. Pretty sure there are different pay levels, depending on years of experience, and then obviously for advanced degrees. So I think they do pay more for experience, at least here.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:44 am to upgrayedd
A good teacher can change scores but not attitudes. Even the kid who just doesn't care if the teacher is good, should improve scores if in the classroom. Won't be by much but a minimal improvement. Of course, the biggest improvement would come from home with parents who care
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:45 am to troyt37
Louisiana has step pay, so each year you get essentially a small bump (150-500) in pay. Then as I started masters is usually 2-2.5k bump but in some areas, it is much lower and a +30 in a few hundred more than a masters degree.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 11:46 am to volod
Supply and demand.
There will always be a steady supply of women willing to be teachers for whatever the pay is.
There will always be a steady supply of women willing to be teachers for whatever the pay is.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I thinks that's sound reasoning. The only issue is that it's not always applicable for educators. As stated, is an physics, chemistry, and math teacher in high school equal in value as a pre K teacher.
Supply/ Denand works in a system that acknowledges some work/education is more valuable (read marketable) than others. In school systems, they put seniority over talent. As other stated, people put in the bare minimum because they know it wont effect their pay.
Supply/ Denand works in a system that acknowledges some work/education is more valuable (read marketable) than others. In school systems, they put seniority over talent. As other stated, people put in the bare minimum because they know it wont effect their pay.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:07 pm to volod
What is the value?
Is teaching kids the starting fundamentals less important than teaching kids trig?
Is teaching history less important than science? Who determines what is valuable. Most childhood development is happening grades K-4 this is where these students are getting their foundation so that later they can do advanced math/science/etc.
Is teaching kids the starting fundamentals less important than teaching kids trig?
Is teaching history less important than science? Who determines what is valuable. Most childhood development is happening grades K-4 this is where these students are getting their foundation so that later they can do advanced math/science/etc.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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There will always be a steady supply of women willing to be teachers for whatever the pay is.
Right, if you don't care about quality.
If we have low barrier to entry and low standards, we can cheaply pay. But don't be surprised when the results suck.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:13 pm to volod
Doesn’t it make you wonder if the government got out of the education business how well competition could push the privatization of the industry.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:14 pm to tduecen
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What is the value?
Is teaching kids the starting fundamentals less important than teaching kids trig?
Is teaching history less important than science? Who determines what is valuable. Most childhood development is happening grades K-4 this is where these students are getting their foundation so that later they can do advanced math/science/etc.
I acknowledge that all forms of teaching are needed for a functioning society. Instead of using a vague term like "valuable" we should look at it how easily replaceable they are.
It is usually much easier to find someone to do K-4 than it is trigonometry or chemistry. That is what Cyborg and I are referring to.
Supply and Demand
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:14 pm to Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:14 pm to volod
You ask too many questions
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:16 pm to volod
School systems are run by people who have never been outside of a school system. It’s hard for changes to occur when no one has an outside perspective.
I believe most people in these positions are putting out the effort, but change is extremely difficult to implement in a environment where no one has ever changed historically.
I believe most people in these positions are putting out the effort, but change is extremely difficult to implement in a environment where no one has ever changed historically.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:16 pm to volod
Not really, if you changed it to "understand" then sure because all teachers do now days is teach from guided curriculum.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:17 pm to cssamerican
Many are also run by people who have never stepped foot in a classroom
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:23 pm to GCTigahs
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oesn’t it make you wonder if the government got out of the education business how well competition could push the privatization of the industry
Well we are living that right now in New Orleans with the charter school system. And the results are mixed. Some great things are happening. Some operators are horrific. The good news is the bad applies do get replaced, but how much harm did they cause in the meantime?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:46 pm to volod
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Why are school systems socialist?
Teachers and school systems are the most despised
by many because of their liberal and socialist views on everything. They are always looking for a freebie about as often as teachers frick their students.
I hate teachers and school systems. If I meet someone and they are a teacher, I immediately dislike them until they prove themselves otherwise.
Teachers and school systems are the "Used Car Salesman"
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Well we are living that right now in New Orleans with the charter school system. And the results are mixed. Some great things are happening. Some operators are horrific. The good news is the bad applies do get replaced, but how much harm did they cause in the meantime?
The system can't be corrected overnight with or without government oversight. But the longer privatization goes on, the more the exceptional will rise and the weak will go under. Capitalism is a great economic system.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:59 pm to volod
quote:There are annual step increases.
Forgot to add it. But yes, not paying more for years of experience does not exactly inspire loyalty.
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