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re: Why are people so fat now compared to just 30 years ago?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:17 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:17 am to PrimeTime Money
They lied to us about nutritional facts.
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Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:27 am to crazy4lsu
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At those population levels, suggesting people are continually making poor decisions
I don’t think people are lazy, or have free will in the sense that we believe. We stand here today as a collection of our past experiences. if I was someone else then I would do the same thing they would do. That’s my thought, that the outer and inner influences effect our behavior before we eat, (cultural, familiar, personal history, genetic, epiginetic) but I’m sure food can contribute to the cyclical nature of decision making. I just think the cultural influence are just a strong as the influence of addictive foods. And blaming the obesity epidemic on seed oils, or carbs is shortsighted.
I know that stress and trauma can cause acute disease. So for sure it contribute to chronic disease.
I have personally seen stress cause heart attacks with Takatsubo.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 7:40 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:34 am to PrimeTime Money
technology has made it where people dont move as much
we have an abundance of food compared to then
people are way too used to comfort. example...people bitching and saying they are starving after 2 days of post hurricane life. Newsflash anyone other than infants and the very old can go 3-4 days without eating.
people are also lazy as frick
we have an abundance of food compared to then
people are way too used to comfort. example...people bitching and saying they are starving after 2 days of post hurricane life. Newsflash anyone other than infants and the very old can go 3-4 days without eating.
people are also lazy as frick
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:45 am to Rust Cohle
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That’s my thought, that the outer and inner, influences effect our behavior before we eat, (cultural, familiar, personal history, genetic, epiginetic)
Despite all those factors, we see ever increasing BMI across demographics. If that doesn't indicate something larger is at play than 'stress' (which has a cortisol component that has direct effects on insulin and should increase lipolysis) should point to a biochemical explanation rather than a vague cultural one.
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I know that stress and trauma can cause acute disease. So for sure it contribute to chronic disease.
I have personally seen stress cause heart attacks with Takatsubo
Many prominent human diseases are results of chronic inflammation. That's lecture 1 Pathology material. It still isn't an explanation for a population wide phenomena of this scale and scope.
Think about the issue as though it were an infectious disease rather than a metabolic one. And then look at the figures. There is absolutely no cultural influence that can increase BMI across the world consistently. Even Japan, with only 3% of its population obese, has 25% of its population overweight. What possible cultural factors could account for the increase in BMI everywhere across the world? To be frank, it is straight up nonsense to reduce it to cultural influences given the evidence we have on hand.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:48 am to crazy4lsu
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Again, the biochemical processing of 'food' is not simply thermodynamic. It involves hormonal control as well, with exceedingly complex interactions that I could go over. The nutritional profile of food matters, regardless of whether you want to blame an 'inanimate' object.
If there was any other disease with the same demographic profile illustrated as in the OP, we absolutely would not resort to frankly idiotic defenses of 'individualism' that we do in regards to food. Nearly 70% of Americans are overweight, and 33% are obese, which seems to suggest questions of individual choice are much less important than the nutritional content of the food itself. At those population levels, suggesting people are continually making poor decisions without a distinct physiological cause that is directly modulated by exogenous metabolites would be insane for literally any other disease category. The sheer hesitancy of actually treating obesity as a pathology is why we are in this position.
yet every frickign time we do a study and equalize calories and protein across mutiple diffrent macronutrient diets..... we find the only thing that matters is those two on rate of body fat loss.
all the idiots saying carbs make you fat....well they cant produce one study that shows that bodyfat is burned at a higher rate once calories and protein are accounted for and equalized.
i say that as someone who enjoys low carb and eats that away most of the time.
oh same goes for intermittent fasting.
both of those lies have been repeated so much people take them as truth. its kind of like the old lie that metabolism slows greatly as you age and thats why people get fat. come to find out....thats not the case, we just move around a lot less.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:49 am to PrimeTime Money
The Government has been been paying people to sit on their asses for decades......and processed foods.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:01 am to Wtodd
And 30 years ago I was 18 and active.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:03 am to crazy4lsu
It is infectious in a sense. Kids are taught to cope with food from a young age. Oh you skinned your knee let’s get some candy, oh you won the soccer game let’s go get some pizza, oh we’re bored, let’s entertain ourselves by going out to eat. Every time we see a billboard or overweight doctor, or other influential people in our lives, it gives us acceptance to do the same, it may even encourages us to do so.
And just like you say, homeostasis, we eat calorie dense foods, gain weight, and our body tells us to maintain that. Supporting these highly palatable foods, and eating behavior is a cultural factor.
Why has smoking decreased?
And just like you say, homeostasis, we eat calorie dense foods, gain weight, and our body tells us to maintain that. Supporting these highly palatable foods, and eating behavior is a cultural factor.
Why has smoking decreased?
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 8:13 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:16 am to TTU97NI
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And 30 years ago I was 18 and active.
doing my part here, I weigh exactly what I weighed when I graduated from LSU...during the Carter Administration
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:17 am to Rust Cohle
It's threads like these that remind me of how many arrogant pricks are on the OT.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:18 am to PrimeTime Money
Waiting for my turn to do lab work, 50% in this office are obese.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:21 am to Rust Cohle
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It is infectious in a sense. Kids are taught to cope with food from a young age. Oh you skinned your knee let’s get some candy, oh you won the soccer game let’s go get some pizza, oh we’re bored, let’s entertain ourselves by going out to eat. Every time we see a billboard or overweight doctor, or other influential people in our lives, it gives us acceptance to do the same, it may even encourages us to do so.
So every country with increased BMI is subject to this? Because that suggests one thing, and it isn't cultural.
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Why has smoking decreased?
That's an intensely long story. But we can perhaps boil it down to the Surgeon General's report in 1964, which lead to a change in public image, after a decade or so of evidence coming out in scientific journals about the disastrous effects of smoking. In 1966 the the first labels were used on cigarette packs warning that smoking was hazardous. In 1967, anti-smoking ads began to air, but were banned in 1971. But it started with someone in charge being honest about the terrible effects of smoking.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:28 am to PrimeTime Money
Food is good
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:29 am to crazy4lsu
I am not a nutrition expert nor a doctor. I only speak for myself. When I was 28 years old in 1996, I was prescribed two medications for OCD. One was Risperdal and the second was SSRI Paxil.
Both Risperidone and paroxetine add significant weight to an user through serotonin receptors. Other neurotransmitters are affected in the Gut and normal metabolism is disrupted. I gains 25 pounds during the first year on these meds. If I get off these meds for a year, I can lose 20 lbs in three months but my ocd gets worse.
Both Risperidone and paroxetine add significant weight to an user through serotonin receptors. Other neurotransmitters are affected in the Gut and normal metabolism is disrupted. I gains 25 pounds during the first year on these meds. If I get off these meds for a year, I can lose 20 lbs in three months but my ocd gets worse.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:39 am to Unobtanium
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Now we've graduated to 64 ounce Big Gulps. Is that really a good thing?
It's just a nickel more
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:41 am to PrimeTime Money
1) Lazy. The biggest contributor. THe very average American has sold their soul for a bit of luxury.
2) Inability to correct mistakes, always having to blame someone else and not take responsibility for their own selves.
3) Impulse control.
The population is lazier and more stupid than it was 40 years ago
2) Inability to correct mistakes, always having to blame someone else and not take responsibility for their own selves.
3) Impulse control.
The population is lazier and more stupid than it was 40 years ago
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:54 am to PrimeTime Money
But everyone told me fat was beautiful and healthy now?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 8:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
Incredible that so many people here have such easy answers to such a complex question.
This recent series of blog posts explains why most of your theories posted here are wrong.
I don't agree with everything that the author says and can point to a few flaws in his thinking, but this is a fascinating exploration of the question, if you really want an engaging scientific read.
This recent series of blog posts explains why most of your theories posted here are wrong.
I don't agree with everything that the author says and can point to a few flaws in his thinking, but this is a fascinating exploration of the question, if you really want an engaging scientific read.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 9:04 am to lsu777
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people are also lazy as frick
Yep. Across the board.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 9:06 am to Unobtanium
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Now we've graduated to 64 ounce Big Gulps. Is that really a good thing?
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