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re: Who is the GOAT of all U.S generals?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 10:55 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 9/27/23 at 10:55 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Chesty Puller has to be on the list.
---As a Marine, yes, but his glory days in combat ended when he became a general.
---As a Marine, yes, but his glory days in combat ended when he became a general.
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Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:03 am to cypresstiger
yeah, Chesty's career as a GO was pretty ho-hum
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:06 am to cgallent
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Bull Halsey
I know this book. Halsey acted stupidly.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:28 am to Truama_dawg
There really are no US military leaders who had the chance to be really great. A guy like Arthur Wellesley (or Napoleon) had the opportunity to fight inn 60 battles in his long career. He was in almost constant battle prep or actual battles from 1796 to 1815 when he won his signature victory over Napoleon.
During that time he was generally fighting battles against enemies with whom he was on technological par. US Generals almost all had decisive logistical and technological superiority over their enemies.
The Civil War and WW1 would be the best examples of US Generals not having those advantages. But those wars were just not long enough for a General to gain the experience that Wellesley had. Some Civil War Generals had decades of Indian fighting, but that was not the same challenge.
During that time he was generally fighting battles against enemies with whom he was on technological par. US Generals almost all had decisive logistical and technological superiority over their enemies.
The Civil War and WW1 would be the best examples of US Generals not having those advantages. But those wars were just not long enough for a General to gain the experience that Wellesley had. Some Civil War Generals had decades of Indian fighting, but that was not the same challenge.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:33 am to cypresstiger
No generals actively fight. Hell, when you end up at full bird your true fighting days are over.
Major/ LT. Col is the sweet spot. Unless you can be god (CWO). Chiefs have the best life.
Major/ LT. Col is the sweet spot. Unless you can be god (CWO). Chiefs have the best life.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:34 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Led by a very good general/field marshal in Georgy Zhukov.
And supplied by the US with most of their war making material.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:35 am to Truama_dawg
Chesty Puller
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:38 am to Truama_dawg
Mad Dog Mattis
‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’
‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:39 am to Truama_dawg
Motors. After WW2 a former German officer was asked what allied general had the biggest effect on the outcome of the war and his answer was "General Motors."
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 11:42 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:53 am to Jim Rockford
It is almost like Mac wanted to escalate the war.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:00 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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I know this book. Halsey acted stupidly.
A man of culture I see. Great movie.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:04 pm to Truama_dawg
George Washington was the one smart enough to say ‘Always target the Officers First! ‘
That command alone had a great deal to do with us winning the Revolution
That command alone had a great deal to do with us winning the Revolution
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:08 pm to Truama_dawg
Omar Bradley
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Andrew Jackson
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Andrew Jackson
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:09 pm to Truama_dawg
As has been stated, Patton was a very good field general who excelled at maximizing the strengths of the US Army in WW2: logistics and mechanization. He was one of the few who saw the potential of an army backed by mass mechanization in the form of tanks, troop transport and logistical support. He also cultivated an excellent staff. When asked how long it would take for him to get ready to relieve Bastogne, he tole Eisenhower 3 days. They didn't believe him, but they didn't know he and his staff already worked out how they would do it. Within 3 days he had his entire command realigned to make a drive on Bastogne while protecting his flank with all his logistics lined up. I particularly liked his aggressive nature. He was quoted saying he wasn't worried about his flanks; his goal was to make the other guy worry about his. If allowed, he was not one to sit back and let the opposition get comfortable.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:17 pm to Truama_dawg
For battlefield command?
For theater level planning?
For allied command?
WWII had an all star team.
Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, and several other flag officers.
For theater level planning?
For allied command?
WWII had an all star team.
Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, and several other flag officers.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
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George Washington, Winfield Scott, Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, George Patton and Dwight Eisenhower all have to be considered.
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Not a U.S. General.
Wasn't Lee a Major General (2-star General) when he left the US Army for the Confederacy?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:23 pm to Truama_dawg
Ike
Washington
Nimitz
Halsey
Puller
Ridgway. No one knows that it was Ridgway that pretty much saved us in Korea. Things were a disaster. He was the 2IC in the theater (above the level of command running things in Korea) when the commander in Korea suddenly died (I think it was a heart attack) and they told Ridgway to go fix things, and he did.
There was a time when commanders got fired in the military. That changed in Vietnam and it's had disastrous consequences for us, especially once couple to DOPMA, which brought in 'up or out' which is probably the dumbest personnel policy known to man.
Washington
Nimitz
Halsey
Puller
Ridgway. No one knows that it was Ridgway that pretty much saved us in Korea. Things were a disaster. He was the 2IC in the theater (above the level of command running things in Korea) when the commander in Korea suddenly died (I think it was a heart attack) and they told Ridgway to go fix things, and he did.
There was a time when commanders got fired in the military. That changed in Vietnam and it's had disastrous consequences for us, especially once couple to DOPMA, which brought in 'up or out' which is probably the dumbest personnel policy known to man.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:27 pm to ned nederlander
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Not sure anyone has ever retreated better than Washington.
Ridgeway conducted a fighting retreat in Korea.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:35 pm to Jim Rockford
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Everybody will say Patton but the answer is Eisenhower.
Eisenhower had to make the calls on D-Day. Changed the course of history. For that no one surpasses him.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:08 pm to 777Tiger
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...to look it up but wasn't there a push for a court martial of him?
Running an entire fleet through a typhoon wasn't his best moment.
Leaving Taffy 3 and the amphib groups unprotected at Leyte Gulf was his biggest blunder. So, no way is Halsey in the GOAT conversation.
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