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re: Who here is against St George?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:08 pm to paddys pub
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:08 pm to paddys pub
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This is not the reality for most subdivisions in BR
Actually, in BR proper, I'd say its more of the case than not.
Mid-City here. Can walk/bike to grocery, pharmacy, bars, restaurants, parks.
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:15 pm to Golfer
quote:
Actually, in BR proper, I'd say its more of the case than not.
Mid-City here. Can walk/bike to grocery, pharmacy, bars, restaurants, parks.
I honestly think that's cool for those of you who enjoy that. I have no desire for urban life though. I'd rather acreage than neighbors any day. Different strokes for different folks. I only object to being told that downtown is something I should fund and/or encourage.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:19 pm to Golfer
quote:No. Most of BR proper does not enjoy the ability to walk or even easily bike to places of need/want. Mid City/LSU/Southdowns/Garden District could, but that is definitely the norm or majority of BR.
Actually, in BR proper, I'd say its more of the case than not.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:19 pm to dragginass
quote:
I honestly think that's cool for those of you who enjoy that. I have no desire for urban life though. I'd rather acreage than neighbors any day. Different strokes for different folks. I only object to being told that downtown is something I should fund and/or encourage.
I think you're missing the point on the Downtown support. Just because you don't directly benefit from it doesn't mean it isn't valuable to the region. Pretty much all research behind thriving communities goes back to having a centralized location for government, primary entertainment, convention/tourism, etc. There's a reason why IBM was attracted to Downtown BR.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:21 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Think about this. It's Saturday. You walk out your door, walk down an actual sidewalk to get some fresh produce at the market, and a bad arse roast beef Poboy at the deli. Go home and grab lunch and put away your groceries for that big get together with your neighbors on Sunday. Then you grab your dog and hit the dog park where all the ladies are exercising their dogs. Then you walk back home, take a shower and hit up downtown for dinner and some drinks with friends, but no worries, you can walk back home on the "sidewalks" without having to worry about getting a DUI like in the old day when you used to live in Shenandoah.
Sunday, you take the streetcar and hit up the market and get some Berkshire pork for your dinner, and go back home to get prepped. Ahh, but I've got plenty of time to kill, so you walk outside to the sidewalk again and grab some coffee at the coffee house, and what's that sound? Ohhh kick arse, there's a freaking acoustic set playing right outside.
Damn, it's almost 3. shite, my fiends will be there shortly. I was having so much fun I almost forgot.
So you just assume everyone wants to live in this place you're describing? and if we don't something is wrong with us?
Saturday morning, i'm woken up by my two children and make breakfast in our spacious kitchen. Let the dogs out in the fenced in large backyard. Walk outside my front door and shout to my neighbor Gary across the street who just finished cutting his grass (ah what a pleasant smell fresh cut grass), "hey, how about this weather" blah blah blah.
Then off to the soccer fields where my two boys have games at. On the way home in our suburban we stop for some chick fil a and head back home.
Once home, kids go play with their neighborhood friends while Dad goes to Home Depot and fills up his F150 with some wood.
Mom makes a nice meal for dinner and we watch a movie together that night.
Sunday morning, kids wake us up again. Make breakfast, let the dogs out. Dad goes outside and uses the wood he just bought to build his kids the tree house he's been promising to build. He forgot a few things so he has to go back to Home Depot. Upon leaving Home Depot, he goes across the street from Home Depot to pick up some fresh produce, since that's a cool thing to do, and heads back home with it.Finishes up the treehouse and sits on his deck that he built drinking a beer and bbq'in while his kids plays in the tree house and the dogs bark at them b/c they want to get in. All the while mom is looking fine as ever and mom and dad have a nice sex session shortly after they put their kids to sleep early so they can wake up to catch the bus for school the next morning.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:33 pm to dragginass
People have different reasons for being in favor of and for being opposed to the creation of the City of St. George.
For me it is about taxes and the current exploitation of the unincorporated areas of EBR in favor of the City of Baton Rouge. Why are ALL OF THE COSTS for the constitutional offices (District Attorney, Coroner, etc) paid for by unincorporated EBR while the City of BR pays none of the expenses. Why is $53 million transferred from the unincorporated EBR budget into the budget for the City of BR?
What I see is an overtaxed unincorporated EBR and an undertaxed (or shall I say subsidized) City of Baton Rouge. Don't say the transfer is justified because residents of the City shop in the unincorporated areas because that is BS--I buy things in the City of BR and I know my neighbors do too and there is no adjustment allocate sales tax revenue generated within the City of BR to the unincorporated EBR to reflect the shopping patterns of the residents of the unincorporated areas.
The City of Baton Rouge is able to operated a bloated government because they pilfer the additional funds they need from unincorporated EBR instead of going before the residents of the City of BR to approve a tax increase to fund their grandiose bureaucracy.
For me it is about taxes and the current exploitation of the unincorporated areas of EBR in favor of the City of Baton Rouge. Why are ALL OF THE COSTS for the constitutional offices (District Attorney, Coroner, etc) paid for by unincorporated EBR while the City of BR pays none of the expenses. Why is $53 million transferred from the unincorporated EBR budget into the budget for the City of BR?
What I see is an overtaxed unincorporated EBR and an undertaxed (or shall I say subsidized) City of Baton Rouge. Don't say the transfer is justified because residents of the City shop in the unincorporated areas because that is BS--I buy things in the City of BR and I know my neighbors do too and there is no adjustment allocate sales tax revenue generated within the City of BR to the unincorporated EBR to reflect the shopping patterns of the residents of the unincorporated areas.
The City of Baton Rouge is able to operated a bloated government because they pilfer the additional funds they need from unincorporated EBR instead of going before the residents of the City of BR to approve a tax increase to fund their grandiose bureaucracy.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:35 pm to Alleman
This has got to be some alter.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
You have my condolences on your life Teddy.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:40 pm to c on z
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Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
2 posts
What gave it away?
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
Well, his average weekend does sound like it includes more sexing than yours
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:46 pm to Mike da Tigah
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You have my condolences on your life Teddy.
right back at ya hoss.
And i left out the part where my wife sits in our pool in our backyard after working out, occasionally flashing me her large beautiful breasts when the kids aren't looking as i bbq drinking my beer. She's just giving me a preview of what is to come that night.
Good thing we have a 6 foot wooden fence for our privacy and so i can see some tits in my backyard, and pee outside every night when i let the dogs out.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
Sounds like the second season of the sitcom "Waiting to die" 
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
pee outside every night
I do this every night walking home from the bar.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:56 pm to LSURussian
As I form my opinion, one thing I am looking to here about from the anti-st george side is, if this were a revenue neutral proposal for both sides and all debts were paid, what Are the talking points of the "better as one urban center" argument?
It doesn't seem like Metairie/Kenner/Orleans suffer from having various states of incorporation or lack thereof...how would it be different here? What would cause BR to somehow be seen as 2 separate urban areas by outside elements or businesses?
It seems to me that right now, people already ascociate outlying areas with BR. A person from Denham will tell a New Yorker they're from BR just as a person from Kenner would tell a New Yorker they're from NO. I don't see huge identity issue.
It doesn't seem like Metairie/Kenner/Orleans suffer from having various states of incorporation or lack thereof...how would it be different here? What would cause BR to somehow be seen as 2 separate urban areas by outside elements or businesses?
It seems to me that right now, people already ascociate outlying areas with BR. A person from Denham will tell a New Yorker they're from BR just as a person from Kenner would tell a New Yorker they're from NO. I don't see huge identity issue.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:56 pm to Mike da Tigah
So what's your definition of urban life? Downtown BR or the surrounding areas which aren't downtown and are more like suburban areas, just closer to downtown.
Just because people like to visit large cities doesn't mean they want to raise a family there.
Just because people like to visit large cities doesn't mean they want to raise a family there.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 1:56 pm to magildachunks
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I do this every night walking home from the bar.
i won't get arrested when i do it, or have to register as a sex offender possibly.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:01 pm to paddys pub
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Just because people like to visit large cities doesn't mean they want to raise a family there.
This
I loved Boston and Toronto. Seemed like great places to live, when i was 25. But once you start a family and get on with your life post college, you don't want that life.
I have nothing against it and i'm all for having a nice downtown by the way.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:11 pm to RyseofRome
This is the longest thread Ive ever started. But to all who are for St George, frick you. I want my niece to go to BRMHS. So keep your little Tom in CHS, and your little Sally in St judes. And shut up!
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:16 pm to Golfer
My understanding of the school district boundary is that it has already been approved. What wasn't approved was funding of that school district...which is what lead us to the current situation.
I'm leaning to the incorporation side of the fence. I guess its human nature to want things to always stay the same, but that isn't realistic. The folks that keep their heads buried in the sand will get left behind because progress is coming to Baton Rouge in the form of economic development and SOME thoughtful foresight. As new professionals arrive, the cumulative effect will be heightened expectations for quality of life which includes a great education for our kids. The old status quo, keep things the same, crowd will be perceived to be antiquated in all of their "arguments". I think this is already beginning to happen within this movement. I'm from LA and moved away for about 12 years so my perspective is a little different than the folks that have always lived here. The bottom line is that BR can be a great place to live, play, work and raise a family, but we have a long way to go in making it a reality. There are a lot of good things going on right now in BR, but without a great public education system I don't think its sustainable long term.
Its really sad to me that the only place I ever hear or see any debate about these real issues is on internet forums...maybe there are public forums where these things are discussed and I just miss them. If only political leadership and the leaders of our business community would REALLY get on board with serious education reform...publicly admit we have a serious problem and do something about it.
Disclaimer - My wife and I have two young boys who will begin school in the next 3-5 years (one thing is certain...I will do whatever I need to do to guarantee they get every opportunity for a great education including moving)
Disclaimer
I'm leaning to the incorporation side of the fence. I guess its human nature to want things to always stay the same, but that isn't realistic. The folks that keep their heads buried in the sand will get left behind because progress is coming to Baton Rouge in the form of economic development and SOME thoughtful foresight. As new professionals arrive, the cumulative effect will be heightened expectations for quality of life which includes a great education for our kids. The old status quo, keep things the same, crowd will be perceived to be antiquated in all of their "arguments". I think this is already beginning to happen within this movement. I'm from LA and moved away for about 12 years so my perspective is a little different than the folks that have always lived here. The bottom line is that BR can be a great place to live, play, work and raise a family, but we have a long way to go in making it a reality. There are a lot of good things going on right now in BR, but without a great public education system I don't think its sustainable long term.
Its really sad to me that the only place I ever hear or see any debate about these real issues is on internet forums...maybe there are public forums where these things are discussed and I just miss them. If only political leadership and the leaders of our business community would REALLY get on board with serious education reform...publicly admit we have a serious problem and do something about it.
Disclaimer - My wife and I have two young boys who will begin school in the next 3-5 years (one thing is certain...I will do whatever I need to do to guarantee they get every opportunity for a great education including moving)
Disclaimer
Posted on 2/11/14 at 2:17 pm to dragginass
quote:Wrong yourself.
Wrong. The surplus of $20.5million is calculated after having paid legacy costs.
Here is the SG budget taken from their website. Notice the box that says "Excess revenues over expenditures to be used to satisfy legacy costs and any bonded indebtedness".
The "excess revenues" over the expenses listed in the budget is $20,529,672 as shown at the bottom of the page.
I'll use your phrase......GTFO!!!
Seriously, you've proven you're just making up shite and throwing it against the wall to see what sticks. That strategy doesn't work when you're dealing with adults in a discussion.
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