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re: Which wars since WWII 'kept us free?'
Posted on 5/23/15 at 9:56 am to Napoleon
Posted on 5/23/15 at 9:56 am to Napoleon
quote:. I think it's debateable but I can understand that opinion. WWII was pretty much cut and dry. Most everything sense has been kind of preventive maintainance as someone else said. The debateable part is that we don't really know for sure if it was needed or not.
None. No one has fought for our "freedoms" since 1945
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Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:00 am to Ponchy Tiger
the second gulf war wasn't .. junior just got pissed that Sadam wanted to assassinate daddy ..
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:06 am to Ponchy Tiger
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The debateable part is that we don't really know for sure if it was needed or not.
Well we had to get payback for 9/11 in Afghanistan. Desert Storm was pretty well a given as well. Iraqi Freedom I was all for until it became clear that there were no WOMD's and that we had no clear plan in place once we kicked their arses again. Can't comment on Vietnam since that shite was before my time but it is pretty clear that unless Murica gets fricked with directly, the American people do not like to send the good guys to go get in harms way.
This post was edited on 5/23/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:11 am to TigahRag
Probably some truth to that but I always thought from a military stand point it was to gain a bigger military presence further north to better police other countries and protect isreal.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:13 am to weagle99
Grenada
Korea, Viet Nam and Gulf I involved an aggressor trying to take over another country...so that had some basis (although we pick and choose our countries and aggressors). But they didn't keep us free.
The Bush/Cheney/Woolfitz war was maniacal.
Korea, Viet Nam and Gulf I involved an aggressor trying to take over another country...so that had some basis (although we pick and choose our countries and aggressors). But they didn't keep us free.
The Bush/Cheney/Woolfitz war was maniacal.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:14 am to weagle99
World War 2's victory didn't keep us free, because Hitler wanted only to be Master of Europe.
Nazi Germany had no desire to conquer the USA.
Would you say that the USA was duped into fighting a bloody war?
Roosevelt lied and people died.
The USA had no business in fighting in World War One. Germany didn't attack the USA. The USA was again duped into fighting a bloody war by British propaganda.
Same goes for the Spanish American War. The USS Maine blew up due to faulty gunpowder, not Spanish terror attacks.
US vs. Mexico War was a straight up war of aggression by the USA against Mexico.
American Revolution was an act of Treason against Great Britain perpetrated by rich White American slaveholders who wanted to protect their wealth against a mother country that was turning against slavery.
I could go on and on. I can make arguments all day long that the USA is an illegitimate, illegal entity that has neither moral nor legal basis to exist.
But, that would make me a Leftist, which I am not.
Nazi Germany had no desire to conquer the USA.
Would you say that the USA was duped into fighting a bloody war?
Roosevelt lied and people died.
The USA had no business in fighting in World War One. Germany didn't attack the USA. The USA was again duped into fighting a bloody war by British propaganda.
Same goes for the Spanish American War. The USS Maine blew up due to faulty gunpowder, not Spanish terror attacks.
US vs. Mexico War was a straight up war of aggression by the USA against Mexico.
American Revolution was an act of Treason against Great Britain perpetrated by rich White American slaveholders who wanted to protect their wealth against a mother country that was turning against slavery.
I could go on and on. I can make arguments all day long that the USA is an illegitimate, illegal entity that has neither moral nor legal basis to exist.
But, that would make me a Leftist, which I am not.
This post was edited on 5/23/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:22 am to weagle99
Warfarin. 1948. Killed rats and mice keeping us free from pestilence and disease.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:35 am to weagle99
In before TX Tiger and his conspiracy theories and excessive use of emoticons.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:39 am to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
i really always thought that was the impetus for the younger Bush to push the button and start it .. The military presence establishment was and is certainly a good one .. Just wondering aloud what degree we had to take it to ..
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:40 am to weagle99
None we fight to take other countries resources and kill innocent people along the way
This post was edited on 5/23/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:54 am to Napoleon
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None. No one has fought for our "freedoms" since 1945, BUT if you say that you are an unpatriotic a-hole, rule is you can't shitcan a war until it's ten years after.
All of this. War sucks and hasn't been waged in defense of our freedoms since WWII.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 10:57 am to Champagne
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:00 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
. I think it's debateable but I can understand that opinion. WWII was pretty much cut and dry. Most everything sense has been kind of preventive maintainance as someone else said. The debateable part is that we don't really know for sure if it was needed or not.
Hd we let the Soviets take AFghanistan there never would be a Taliban.
Had we left Saddam in charge, Iran would be in check and ISIS (if they even existed) would be nothing more than a nuisance.
We sort of didn't "win" Vietnam.
Korea, we at least made it so the southern half was fine, of course that was the entire UN to boot.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:02 am to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
quote:
stand point it was to gain a bigger military presence further north to better police other countries and protect isreal.
are either of those a concern for the US?
Better protect Israel, by taking out it's biggest threats's biggest enemy?
Yeah great strategy.
This post was edited on 5/23/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:04 am to Napoleon
Don't ask me. Didn't say I agreed with it. Which is why I used the word police. I do not believe it's our role to police the world.
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:13 am to xLxSxUxFxAxNx
I'm just gonna wait for our all knowing history scholar darth to answer
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:14 am to weagle99
almost all the wars are lies
just profit making ventures for those who love money more than they love people.
you either know that or not....
just profit making ventures for those who love money more than they love people.
you either know that or not....
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:17 am to weagle99
Is this your way of saying the lives that were lost for this country that are being honored this weekend do not matter?
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:22 am to Champagne
Do you even Japan bro?
Posted on 5/23/15 at 11:47 am to weagle99
Vietnam, on the domestic front. The marxists tried to take over like they did during WW1 and WW2 and we defeated them, for the time being.
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