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re: Where do you stand on bartenders being responsible for their patrons?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:32 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:32 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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Responsibility for your actions is your own.
Right. The bartender is responsible for not creating a bunch of black out drunks who will be let loose in society.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:33 am to cas4t
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ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake
Yeah, that 4 hour class taught by a hungover teacher on a Saturday morning really made me an expert in id fraud
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:34 am to craigbiggio
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think they should get a real job
Like congress woman?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:34 am to PortHudsonPlaya
That’s absolute bullshite. In no way is that the bars responsibility
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:34 am to PortHudsonPlaya
I'm also in the personal accountability camp. If you frick up, guess what? It's not somebody else's fault.
Several years ago, the home brew club I'm in volunteered to pour beer at a beer festival here in town. Some breweries only send beer, not people, to these things so they need volunteers to pour for them. We had to take a class on how not to over serve and what to do if a guy was clearly shitfaced. After the fest, word came down that one of the volunteer servers who was not in our club got hit with a $500 fine for over serving somebody. After that we said frick it. Pour your own beer.
Several years ago, the home brew club I'm in volunteered to pour beer at a beer festival here in town. Some breweries only send beer, not people, to these things so they need volunteers to pour for them. We had to take a class on how not to over serve and what to do if a guy was clearly shitfaced. After the fest, word came down that one of the volunteer servers who was not in our club got hit with a $500 fine for over serving somebody. After that we said frick it. Pour your own beer.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:35 am to Pelican fan99
Some of you are morons. How is it not the bartenders fault that a 19 year old was served 12 drinks without being carded once? 
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:35 am to slackster
It's still a legally sold product in both instances. It's just another attempt in modern society to lessen personal responsibility for one's own actions.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:36 am to TH03
I realize you are playing devil's advocate, but how can you reasonably expect 2-3 bartenders to keep track of a couple hundred patrons drink count and physical state on a busy Saturday night?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:36 am to MountainTiger
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I'm also in the personal accountability camp. If you frick up, guess what? It's not somebody else's fault.
I don't see how this can't apply to the bartenders too.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:37 am to Displaced
I’m not playing anything. They were charged with serving to a minor and serving an unauthorized beverage. They have a beer and wine license and served him tequila.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:38 am to Displaced
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I realize you are playing devil's advocate, but how can you reasonably expect 2-3 bartenders to keep track of a couple hundred patrons drink count and physical state on a busy Saturday night?
Can we talk about the situation at hand?
6 hours drinking, on a Sunday, including taking shots with the bartenders. Never carded once. The bartenders are serving liquor, something they're not allowed to do under their license - only beer and wine.
In this PARTICULAR instance, they share some of the fault IMO.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:39 am to PortHudsonPlaya
A friend had to deal with this bullshite back in the early 2000's. He owned a bar and 3 frat bros were drinking on the night before Thanksgiving. They started off at his place, had a few drinks and went on to other bars throughout the night. Think Parkway or Par 4's was the last bar they were at before they drove home at like 4am and got in a wreck on I-10 killing 2 of the guys and paralysing the other.
My friend that owned the first bar they were at got sued by the parents. Didn't matter that it was about 7pm when they were there and only had a couple of drinks, his insurance settled. Some huge BS imo
My friend that owned the first bar they were at got sued by the parents. Didn't matter that it was about 7pm when they were there and only had a couple of drinks, his insurance settled. Some huge BS imo
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:40 am to slackster
Exactly. They were charged with what THEY were reaponsible for: serving of age customers and serving only what their license allows them to serve.
They were not charged for the car wreck.
They were not charged for the car wreck.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:41 am to Pelican fan99
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That’s absolute bullshite. In no way is that the bars responsibility
What if a gun store sold weapons to a known terrorist? Should he be at fault for what happens with those weapons - weapons that wouldn't be in the hands of the terrorist if they gun store clerk asked for his ID and ran the appropriate background check?
ETA - I'm not suggesting they're the exact same situation, just trying to understand the logic.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:41 am to wildtigercat93
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Yeah no shite, I bartended for years in LA. I’ve been through these situations plenty of times before. I’ve seen bartenders physically trying to take keys away from patrons to not drive. Talking 110 pound women trying to overpower grown arse men. It’s a dangerous situation or can be
I’ve seen customers walk in and order a beer and seen perfectly normal, then after serving you realize they are way too fricked up. Or get someone else handing them drinks.
I’ve seen people who can black out after 2 drinks, or can get into drunk accidents after a normal amount of drinks. Theres no singular line or point of intoxication that is easily identifiable and customers will always lie about how they are getting home.
There are times when we would be in the bar completely alone, and you’re expected to leave the bar unattended every time a drunk person walks out the front door?
It’s just an absurd law and expectation.
As have I when I was in the industry. It takes a special situation, like this one, for someone to actually get charged. Hell, I remember a few years back when a person on a bike was killed by a drunk driver leaving Bulldog and people were concerned the bartenders may get in trouble in that situation.
It is only special occasions that this law comes into effect because of extreme situations. If the law started going after every drunk driving situation, then there is an issue. In this particular case, the bartenders are taking shots with the guy, watching him drink for 6 hours and he hits the woman almost immediately after leaving, which is why they are being charged.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:42 am to slackster
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I don't see how this can't apply to the bartenders too.
It certainly can. If he was serving to an underage drinker then that's on him. But in general, I don't think it's fair to hold a bartender responsible for something that a patron did after he left the bar.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:42 am to TH03
I have no problem with the fines for serving a minor and the fine for selling against their license.
Serving a drunk person is a retarded charge.
Serving a drunk person is a retarded charge.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:44 am to PortHudsonPlaya
do we hold pharmacists and doctors responsible for opiod deaths?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:44 am to Displaced
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Yeah, that 4 hour class taught by a hungover teacher on a Saturday morning really made me an expert in id fraud
I'm not saying it's easy or right to punish you. I'm just saying that's how you get fricked. They can say they trained you. I probably served a ton of underagers back in my day.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:44 am to choupiquesushi
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do we hold pharmacists and doctors responsible for opiod deaths?
these claims are skyrocketing, so yes, we do.
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