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re: Where do you stand on bartenders being responsible for their patrons?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:11 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:11 am to PortHudsonPlaya
No way a bartender, bar or restaurant should be charged in this. The guy left the bar, got in his car and drove. He's the one responsible for that.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:13 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Bartender response: "he told me he was going to call an Uber."
End of case?
End of case?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:13 am to PortHudsonPlaya
100 percent responsibility on the patron. Should be anyway.
Absurd to ask that much out of a bartender.
Absurd to ask that much out of a bartender.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:16 am to wildtigercat93
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Absurd to ask that much out of a bartender.
In Louisiana, you are informed of this when you get your bar card. You are told about fines and possible jail time if you over serve.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:19 am to Displaced
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Bartender response: "he told me he was going to call an Uber." End of case?
That's not the bartender's responsibility. How the guy is getting home isn't his concern. Over-serving is the bartender's responsibility, regardless of how the person is getting home.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:22 am to rowbear1922
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In Louisiana, you are informed of this when you get your bar card. You are told about fines and possible jail time if you over serve.
Yeah no shite, I bartended for years in LA. I’ve been through these situations plenty of times before. I’ve seen bartenders physically trying to take keys away from patrons to not drive. Talking 110 pound women trying to overpower grown arse men. It’s a dangerous situation or can be
I’ve seen customers walk in and order a beer and seen perfectly normal, then after serving you realize they are way too fricked up. Or get someone else handing them drinks.
I’ve seen people who can black out after 2 drinks, or can get into drunk accidents after a normal amount of drinks. Theres no singular line or point of intoxication that is easily identifiable and customers will always lie about how they are getting home.
There are times when we would be in the bar completely alone, and you’re expected to leave the bar unattended every time a drunk person walks out the front door?
It’s just an absurd law and expectation.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:23 am to Displaced
“He was blackout hammered and you continued to serve him”
The driving part doesn’t matter. He could’ve walked out in the street and got hit by a car, died of alcohol poinsoning, etc etc.
It’s about responsible serving.
The driving part doesn’t matter. He could’ve walked out in the street and got hit by a car, died of alcohol poinsoning, etc etc.
It’s about responsible serving.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:23 am to slackster
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Over-serving is the bartender's responsibility, regardless of how the person is getting home.
Over serving can be defined down to more than 1 drink per hour if you want to place DUI and their accidents on the bartender
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:26 am to wildtigercat93
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Over serving can be defined down to more than 1 drink per hour if you want to place DUI and their accidents on the bartender
I'm not arguing the specifics, I'm just pointing out that overserving is the only thing for which the bartender is responsible. He's not responsible for how you get home or any of that other stuff, simply how much he's going to let you drink in his establishment.
Saying the guy lied about how he's getting home doesn't absolve you from your obligation in most states.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:27 am to PortHudsonPlaya
It’s not the bartenders fault.
It’s the personal responsibility of the drinker to either drink responsibly or to have a ride home. He and he alone chose to drive
It’s the personal responsibility of the drinker to either drink responsibly or to have a ride home. He and he alone chose to drive
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:27 am to wildtigercat93
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I’ve seen people who can black out after 2 drinks
You bartend on an Indian reservation?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:28 am to slackster
I’m not arguing what the law is. I’m arguing that it shouldn’t be a law
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:28 am to deltaland
They gave a 19 year old 12 drinks without carding once. 
That’s absolutely on the bartenders.
That’s absolutely on the bartenders.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:29 am to TH03
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You bartend on an Indian reservation?
Pills are likely the real reason. That stuff is like candy in the area I was in
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:29 am to PortHudsonPlaya
As someone who worked in the industry in college, it's obvious when someone has had too much. I never felt good about serving someone who I was worried would drive home. Had some tough conversations with my patrons, usually involving a "go get your manager" which certainly didn't help their case.
People should just be smarter and not get plastered and drive. But as a bartender, you are the one serving them as well...
ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake, so whether he had one or not, bartender and establishment are still fricked.
People should just be smarter and not get plastered and drive. But as a bartender, you are the one serving them as well...
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This guy was also 19. Not sure if he had a fake ID. If not, then they are f’ed.
ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake, so whether he had one or not, bartender and establishment are still fricked.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:30 am to wildtigercat93
Yeah bars and booze is a bad combo.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:30 am to cas4t
It wasn’t whether it was a fake or not. They never carded him period.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:31 am to PortHudsonPlaya
This is how drink limits at bars start happening to avoid suits.
But how in the world could anyone fault the bartender? Responsibility for your actions is your own.
But how in the world could anyone fault the bartender? Responsibility for your actions is your own.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:32 am to cas4t
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ABC license teaches you how to spot a fake, so whether he had one or not, bartender and establishment are still fricked.
Not so easy these days. For 200 bucks you can buy an ID online that will fully scan and look completely legitimate.
I was a stickler for IDs, because kids don’t frickin tip. I know every trick in the book
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:32 am to wildtigercat93
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I’m not arguing what the law is. I’m arguing that it shouldn’t be a law
I think in periods of gross negligence, it should matter. For what it's worth, most of this is civil stuff anyway. These bartenders were arrested for serving to a minor and breaking a couple liquor license laws. The fact that someone was killed probably forced the DA's hand, but they're not arrested or responsible criminally for her death.
If I was on a civil jury, I could find fault in the establishment/bartender in some cases, but there are always mitigating circumstances. For instance, her death is more likely the result of not wearing a seatbelt more than anything. I could see thinking a bar is responsible for maybe 10% of a particular situation.
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