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re: When men worked and women took care of the family. Are we better or worse?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:11 am to danilo
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:11 am to danilo
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Wall Street and corporate America fricked over the typical American family requiring both parents to work. Government and Elites are happy for Average joes to fight about left and right, guns and trannys, and woke vs conservative as long as they stay busy and don’t realize both sides are getting screwed
Preach brother. When and if working class America...and that includes anyone who has to work for money and does not have money working for them...ever come to realize this they aristocracy is in trouble. It probably ain't gonna happen...it has never happened in the history of man except for a few notable exceptions where a new aristocracy seized control in short order.
For most of our existence average people had little choice but to struggle mightily for their succor. Technology alleviated some of that struggle slowly and a select few with money and power had to find a way to keep the average person in a constant state of turmoil. Religion has been used, patriotism, racism...all have had their place keeping the masses in line with the interests of the ruling class. If we ever realize the minimum wage single parent flipping burgers at Mickey D'a, the owner of the Mickey D's and the brain surgeon have more in common with one another that they will ever have with the average politician or someone like Bill Gates the latter group will be in trouble. It is unlikely to happen because human nature is to pull the rope with you as you climb, paying attention to the hands reaching for it from below and ignoring the hand that holds it above...
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:14 am to Darth_Vader
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One of the things I’m most grateful for was my wife stayed home with both our kids when they were little. And when she did go back to work she got a job in the school office so even then she was home with the kids.
I suspect that all of you made some superficial sacrifices that all too many American adults are unwilling to make today...maybe a couple hundred square feet less house, an older car, meaningless things which too many of us think define us when what actually matters is kids and family. Simply being grateful on your part speaks volumes about your value system which is all too often missing in the world.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:18 am to Darth_Vader
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One of the most insidious lies sold to the American public by the left was that being a stay at home mom was something terrible and the only way a woman could be “happy” was to work all day at the widget factory for accompany that doesn’t give a shite about her all so she could pay someone else to raise her children.
The alternative was, unfortunately, not attractive to women any longer....basically being a maid and a sexual outlet until time and child bearing caught up with her and she was traded in for a younger, sportier model. I can't blame them...who would be satisfied in that system? When there was little alternative because the labor was physical and women generally were not built for it they had little choice...technology decreased the need for male physical attributes but men continued to act as men have acted since time out of mind and women had an opportunity to at least approach equality...
Posted on 5/10/23 at 6:20 am to danilo
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Wall Street and corporate America fricked over the typical American family requiring both parents to work. Government and Elites are happy for Average joes to fight about left and right, guns and trannys, and woke vs conservative as long as they stay busy and don’t realize both sides are getting screwed
We did it to ourselves, no on else to blame. We wanted more and more, our kids wanted more and more. We could easily still live like the 70s/80s, but our standard of living would be much lower. We would have our needs, but not our "Wants."
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:09 am to Mike da Tigah
Worst because as the double income rat race ratcheted up so did the concept of keepin up with the Joneses. And all too often became about wanting more and better stuff, or else you don’t measure up.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:17 am to Mike da Tigah
My wife and I did a modified version of this where she worked part time and only when I was off work and home. I made a modest middle class salary and she made about 1k a month part time. Prior to kids she was a bank manager making a similar salary to me. We refinanced the house to do it, we drove uglier/older cars, we didn’t have a big house, we didn’t remodel the house. We didn’t save a lot for kids education but are now cash flowing the costs since she returned to banking and I make about double what I did during most of the years.
I wouldn’t change a thing. My kids are well adjusted, polite, responsible, god fearing young men.
I wouldn’t change a thing. My kids are well adjusted, polite, responsible, god fearing young men.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:23 am to armsdealer
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Boomers forget that this was NORMAL and they are the ones that essentially changed that.
You got any data to back this up? I figure boomer women still had a bigger share of stay at home moms than this current generation. how is that the boomers?
May parents both worked, but my mom taught school. so i was at school when she was at work. If she didnt have a job, id be at school while she was at home. Whats the difference?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:26 am to Mike da Tigah
It’s probably a net negative.
But the lack of a father figure for many kids is a FAR worse situation.
But the lack of a father figure for many kids is a FAR worse situation.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:27 am to armsdealer
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Boomers forget that this was NORMAL and they are the ones that essentially changed that.
Yup. That’s the childhood they had and then they ruined it for future generations.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:27 am to Mike da Tigah
We are far worse now.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:34 am to ChEgrad
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The problem is that we want so much more stuff. Houses are twice the size. Every kid has his own bedroom. Cell phones for elementary school kids. Kids playing expensive sports. Much nicer vehicles. If people were willing to live like it was in the 1950s and 1960s then they could live on one income.
The problem is there are no more cheap cars, and holding that is cheap is unsafe.
There are no “low-frills” options anymore.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:36 am to ChEgrad
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The problem isn’t that two incomes are needed. The problem is that we want so much more stuff. Houses are twice the size. Every kid has his own bedroom. Cell phones for elementary school kids. Kids playing expensive sports. Much nicer vehicles.
If people were willing to live like it was in the 1950s and 1960s then they could live on one income.
Also, government interference to make college “affordable” has in resulted in college costs increasing way higher than the inflation rate.
Every bit of this is true. All you have to know about expectations and a consumer based economy is study the emergence of self storage facilities. They were unknown in most of the US in the early 60's....by the mid 80s they were everywhere and slap full of shite we bought and did not need and most of time did not want. The industry now has morphed into one where the mini-storage place is built with architectural features that would not be out of place in million $ homes because we all not only need a place to store the shite we can't bear to get rid of we need that place to have pretty landscaping and pretty facades...and pretty monthly rents to boot.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:46 am to BlueRunner
i have a hard time believing the dollar was actually worth a dollar in 2020
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:47 am to mahdragonz
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You think those old guys with quaaludes popping wives were getting laid?
Having come of age at the height of the recreation use of quaalude era I can attest first hand that if those wives weren't getting it from the husband they were getting it...and a LOT of it...from someone. Ludes were panty remove pills first and foremost...
Shes doing qualuudes again...
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:50 am to greenbean
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Materialism and credit happened.
Materialism has existed for a long but easy credit with terms that would make Tony Soprano blush with the state acting as muscle has destroyed the middle class.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:19 am to Dawgfanman
quote:My kids are as well, but my wife and I have always worked from home, so have always been there for the kids. I travel some. She travels some. In over 24 years of marriage, we have had overlapping travel only three times and then for only a day each time. Family stepped in to help.
I wouldn’t change a thing. My kids are well adjusted, polite, responsible, god fearing young men.
I believe denying yourself comforts and extravagances for some ideal of the little woman stays home and nurtures the kids is quaint. My wife and I both went to college and both had professional goals we wanted to achieve. Not every couple is like that and so for us, the effort to raise great kids is rewarding because we were able to achieve monetary and professional goals and status in our respective business communities enabling us to afford private tutoring, sports, music arts and instill in them the visual knowledge from seeing how much effort we make in our respective businesses in order to succeed. For most kids, what mom and dad actually do is an abstract.
My daughter's college experience ends this weekend. She has won multiple competitive academic awards and more importantly, still sings and performs at her church every weekend and has landed a plum job offering her an amazing six figures right out of gate after serving a competitive internship at the employer where she competed against 24 other interns for a $10k bonus.
My son is graduating high school next year. He has his own business, his own investment account, plays bass guitar in a band where he is a singer/songwriter and is dedicated to achieving a degree in mechanical engineering with a discipline in aerodynamics as his goals include working in performance automotive design engineering.
His college fund is now fully funded even if he does not achieve a single scholarship.
Both of us working has allowed us to do many of the things that the rest of my family could not achieve following the stay at home mom model. Our marriage is as solid as theirs but their kids did not go to college or have access to the type of support we were able to provide. But I love my nieces and nephews and they all turned out great in their own ways. So I just think that no matter the economic situation, as long as parents love and nurture and don't ignore their kids, it does not matter in the end. Everyone should do what they have to do to achieve the goal of raising kids to be respectful, and guided by faith in Jesus, they will be fine.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:43 am to Mike da Tigah
The problem isn't necessarily that women are working, but rather they are forced to work. Everything is so expensive as shite. In order to live comfortably in today's economy, both parents have to work unless one of the parents makes a minimum of 6 figures on their own.
The issue also falls back on deadbeat dads as well. It's a good thing that women are allowed to work, but they shouldn't be forced to. Unfortunately, many women are forced to work because the father is not in the household. That is the #1 issue.
Another issue besides that is many cases, even when both parents are working, raising kids/taking care of the household still falls on the woman. It's up to men to step up and to do their duties in taking care of the kids, everything does not fall solely on the woman. There's too many men out here who think their job is done as a man/father because they went to work today.
The issue also falls back on deadbeat dads as well. It's a good thing that women are allowed to work, but they shouldn't be forced to. Unfortunately, many women are forced to work because the father is not in the household. That is the #1 issue.
Another issue besides that is many cases, even when both parents are working, raising kids/taking care of the household still falls on the woman. It's up to men to step up and to do their duties in taking care of the kids, everything does not fall solely on the woman. There's too many men out here who think their job is done as a man/father because they went to work today.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 8:52 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:55 am to Pezzo
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i have a hard time believing the dollar was actually worth a dollar in 2020
The thought didn’t occur to you that the chart was made with purpose of having $1 as the final value in 2020 and then reconstructed to show what it had been historically worth? The visual representation is the same as if they’d started at $1 and ended at $0.04
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:06 am to Pezzo
quote:who is saying this? What a stupid take, did you even read the title if the picture? Buying a piece of 2x4 in 1909 is going to cost way less than 2x4 in 2020. Did the value of the 2x4 do up that dramatically over the years, or did the buying power off the dollar decrease? The dollar not being backed by anything and printed at record paces, it is easy to see the buying power off the dollar has dramatically decreased. Even a smooth brain like yourself, should be able to even understand this.
i have a hard time believing the dollar was actually worth a dollar in 2020
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:36 am to Mike da Tigah
It is worse. Many families don't need two incomes. They just need to live with less money.
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