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re: When it’s cold like this, I am thankful, and think of the lads in WW1, and true cold.

Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:23 am to
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:23 am to


Napoleon's retreat from Russia.

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On September 14, the Grande Armée entered the ancient capital of Moscow, only to see it too become engulfed in flames. Most residents had already escaped the city, leaving behind vast quantities of hard liquor but little food. French troops drank and pillaged while Napoleon waited for Alexander to sue for peace. No offer ever came. With snow flurries having already fallen, Napoleon led his army out of Moscow on October 19, realizing that it could not survive the winter there.

By this time, Napoleon was down to some 100,000 troops, the rest having died, deserted or been wounded, captured or left along the supply line. Originally he planned a southerly retreat, but his troops were forced back to the road they took in after a replenished Russian army engaged them at Maloyaroslavets. All forage along that route had already been consumed, and when the army arrived at Smolensk it found that stragglers had eaten the food left there. Horses were dying in droves, and the Grande Armée’s flanks and rear guard faced constant attacks. To top it off, an unusually early winter set in, complete with high winds, sub-zero temperatures and lots of snow. On particularly bad nights, thousands of men and horses succumbed to exposure. Stories abound of soldiers splitting open dead animals and crawling inside for warmth, or stacking dead bodies in windows for insulation. “Things got bad very quickly,” Paine said. “It was a constant attrition.”

In late November, the Grande Armée narrowly escaped complete annihilation when it crossed the frigid Berezina River, but it had to leave behind thousands of wounded. “From then on, it was almost every man for himself,” Paine said. On December 5, Napoleon left the army under the command of Joachim Murat and sped toward Paris amid rumors of a coup attempt. Nine days later, what little remained of the Grande Armée’s rear guard stumbled back across the Niemen River.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:40 am to
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great pics...when its cold I typically think of our men at the Battle of The Bulge..how unprepared they were for the snow etc.

Me too. Band of Brothers really did a good job of showing just how miserable that was. Freezing cold with artillery making trees into toothpicks.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:43 am to
Obligatory Dan Carlin post. If you want to know what hell is, listen to his podcast series on WWI.

Blueprint for Armageddon
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 7:48 am
Posted by mwlewis
JeffCo
Member since Nov 2010
21769 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:46 am to
Every time I go hunting as I sit in my stand or shooting house I think about the boys in the Battle of the Bulge. It amazing that we prevailed in those harsh cold conditions.
Posted by Legion of Doom
Old Metry
Member since Jan 2018
5727 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:18 am to
Valley Forge during the Revolution. Many of the soldiers were wearing summer uniforms, some had no shoes. People were a lot tougher back then.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20846 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:28 am to
One of the saddest things about what America has become is the fact that for over 200 yrs our soldiers have been dying and it has all been squandered.
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Georgia
Member since Nov 2011
4303 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:31 am to
Morristown encampment if 1779 was even worse than Valley Forge as far as cold and snow is concerned. But in both instances, they were only dealing with weather and food and supply shortages. Still sucks but at least they had mobility and weren’t engaged and under constant attack while in those conditions.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45369 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:33 am to
So true
Posted by Nigel Farage
South of the Mason-Dixon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:46 am to


In 3 days time it will be the 104th anniversary of the start of the Battle of Verdun. The entire point of this battle was to create a literal meat grinder and annihilate the French Army through pure violence. Things are bad in America right now but our problems are so meaningless compared to what soldiers in WW1 had to deal with. We give the French a lot of shite because of how quickly they collapsed in WW2 but when 40% of your fighting age men are casualties from the First World War its really not hard to comprehend why they fell apart and sued for peace so quickly. Marshall Petain gets a lot of shite for being a collaborator with the Nazis but to some (myself included to a degree) he was trying to avoid the complete destruction of France again having seen the hells of WW1. Because America wasnt engaged in the WW1 for very long (officially) it isn't remembered for being the wholesale slaughter of an entire generation of men like it is in Europe. When I visited England the thing that stuck out to me was that most of the war memorials were for WW1 and not WW2. The picture above is the Douamont Ossuary where over 130,000 men from all over the world met a terrible end in a terrible war. This hell was just on the western front too, in the Carpathian Mountains on the Eastern front there are stories of wolves dragging dead bodies off into the woods because of all of the soldiers who froze to death.

I really hope we can get some international travel back soon because I would really like to pay my respects for the men who died in this senseless slaughter. They shall not grow old.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 8:53 am
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:56 am to
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I believe Korean War particularly in the north was deadly cold as well

Episodes of TV's M*A*S*H made many references as to how cold it could be during that war. Added, the main characters Hawkeye, Klinger, Radar, Charles, Mulcahy & Col Blake all came from cities/towns from the north and they never seemed to be able to adapt to it.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:16 am
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134653 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:03 am to


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the Douamont Ossuary



Crazy to think there were so many bones that all they could do is pile most of them up.
Posted by WizardSleeve
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2011
1968 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:03 am to
I second the recommendation to listen to Blueprint for Armegeddon.

The most interesting thing about WW1 compared to all other wars was that the generals and royals commanding the armies used tactics and procedure as if they were still using muskets and horses. But WW1 was the first war with terrifying mechanized and modern weapons that were far more deadly than anything ever seen in any human conflict. The advances made in weapons leading into WW1 were many times greater than any other time in human history. But the armies were still sent into the meat grinder as if it there was no such thing as artillery, machine guns, mines, or chlorine gas.
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:07 am to
They had to go through Rasputitsa. Nasty shite.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17373 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:10 am to
The Battle of the Bulge too.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:30 am to
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The Battle of the Bulge too.










Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:44 am to
Collector
Do you have a copy of WW II In Pictures? The two book set I have was my mothers and it is amazing some of the pictures that were captured during WWII.

Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134653 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:37 am to
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I second the recommendation to listen to Blueprint for Armegeddon


I think I’ve listened to it 6 times in total. Easily the best piece of media I’ve consumed on WW1 and with each listen I come out with a little more understanding and knowledge gleaned.

I really enjoy the little vignette about how an explorer sets out for the Antarctic right before the war is to kick off and they get shipwrecked and stranded and have to survive all sorts of awful conditions (a story all in itself) and when the survivors get rescued he inquires as to how the war turned out, nonchalant...and the response is basically, “you haven’t heard? The world has gone mad.”

It’s a jarring juxtaposition from the genteel wars of the past to this plodding, merciless leviathan that simply devours men and resources.
Posted by TIGAHS55
THIBODAUX
Member since Sep 2007
166 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:28 pm to
Would have been my father-n laws 88th birthday today. He was in the Korean war and told me that was the coldest he ever was. Said he shite, shaved, and ate out of his helmet. I can only imagine the suffering.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:38 pm to
There was generally a rotation so most soldiers didnt stay at the front fire trenches but for a few days a month, but even at the rear, it was a miserable situation.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:24 pm to
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One of the most criminal wastes of human lives in world history


War is hell - William Tecumseh Sherman
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:43 pm
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