re: When did the myth that eating unhealthy processed foods is cheaper than eating healthy?

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I know what it says, I read it. What you don't understand is it is not a good study.

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No, you’re telling me it’s a study you don’t agree with.
Which is fine. Never said you had to.

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Agreed. This is the overaching issue for why obesity has increased over time. Back in the day, most jobs consisted of manual and physical labor. That will keep you in shape naturally if you're doing that everyday.

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It’s part of the reason why but diet is more important then exercise for weight loss. Even something like 3 hours of hard/strenuous exercise won’t burn you a ton of calories. Meanwhile a lot of people are eating considerably more calories then they should be.

If you look at other parts of the world that aren’t nearly as fat, they’re also living more sedentary lives compared to their ancestors. Them walking a lot more does have an impact but not near the level that of hard labor. Americans consume massive portion sizes, junk food, and overall very calorie dense foods. The limited to no exercise just makes it worse.

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I don't agree with it because it's an observational study, which are highly unreliable and it readily admits that causation is not correlation.

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Bc doing a controlled study is possible - hopefully there’s one soon - so you can sign up

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Even when I'd have friends over my parents would cook a meal. They would be amazed they actually liked things like spinach.

My friends parents, order papa Johns.

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My mom cooks every day and always did. My parents don't like to buy junk food, halfway because of health but also because name brand junk food is expensive as hell.

When friends would come over, they would devour my mom's home cooking. When I would go to their house, I'd make myself sick with the amount of snacks I'd eat

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Care to read the actual pdf. Please show me one study that says red meat causes cancer. Again you can't.

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Doing a study like that would be impossible.

My whole point was that Mingo needed to add some veg/fruits into his diet bc some research shows that eating red meat and/or processed meat increases the risk of colon cancer.

Maybe there’s no experimental research to prove it, but there is observational to consider.

I have read the pdf several times. I understand what causation means.

The cell phone correlation is absurd.

Oh and I’m not a guy - glad you and Mingo are friends. Does he hold your jock strap for you?

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Bc doing a controlled study is possible - hopefully there’s one soon - so you can sign up

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Dude I don't think you understand, the meta analysis you linked looked at nothing but observational studies and it doesn't differentiate between processed meats and red meat.

It also doesn't look at obesity which is one of the known top risk factors for all cancers.

It didn't take into account hardly anything just says well....people who ate red and processed meat got colon cancer....well no shite.

It's a shite study, complete and utter shite.

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It also doesn't look at obesity which is one of the known top risk factors for all cancers.

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Or if the participants smoked, or drank alcohol, or anything else

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The cell phone correlation is absurd.

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No more absurd then them concluding red meat causes cancer. It's a bullshite study.

And plenty of people go keto and are perfectly healthy. Nobody needs fruit or veggies. Are they good to eat for satisfaction, micronutrients etc....absolutely, nobody was saying they were unhealthy.

He was simply saying you don't have to have them. That true, go look at all the people on carnivore, keto, etc.

Then you popped off saying have fun with colon cancer cause red meat causes it.

Then him and I called bullahit, cause it is bullshite. You go and link a laughable meta analysis that is based on observational studies, doesn't separate processed and repeat consumption, doesn't consider body fat levels or other environmental/lifestyle issues.....that somehow concludes well it raises risk by 30%.

Do you understand how absurd their conclusion is? I am a science geek when it comes to this stuff and read all fo the research reviews on this.

Their conclusion is bullshite. It's the same as the keto guys claiming...cancer feeds off of glucose so if we go keto we can't get cancer. Again bullshite.

I am more than happy to call out both sides, I don't give a frick. Wrong is wrong.

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It is known that fruits and vegetables have antioxidants.

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And?

Exercise, especially weight lifting, releases all kids of free radicals, in a bubble it should be cancer causing, but we know that's not true.

Again nobody said fruit and veggies were bad or you shouldn't eat them. If you had read anything we wrote here , in previous threads, the h&f board then you would that we promote them.

You were the one that made the claim that red meat causes colon cancer. Not hey mingo...be careful with that, there are studies that show an increased risk associated with red meat consumption.....nope you said red meat causes cancer, we called bullshite.


Because it is bullshite. Guess what are other risk factors for colon cancer...being black, obesity, inflammation etc etc.

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There are some places in this country, where fresh food is harder to find than fast food. Think of all the ghetto corner stores that sell tons of greasy fried chicken, but no heads of lettuce. Or a head of lettuce is $4, because "convivence"

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When you say “harder to find” do you mean it’s a 5 minute walk further?

I find it hard to believe that there are places in this country that have ghetto corner stores but no groceries so let’s hear some examples.