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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:12 am to BuckyCheese
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All of those sound more palatable than that medieval shite.
I mean I'd rather get shot than end up on a pike.
I’ll counter with this, the reason why I would rather be on the medieval battlefield and earlier is that, comparatively speaking, the medieval battle did not last as long. You could be in relative safety one day, be in mortal danger the next, and be in relative safety again the day after that.
Whereas, let’s just pick any number of famous 20th Century battles; Verdun for example. Verdun lasted almost 10 months. That’s 10 months of being under constant threat of death and artillery fire. Whole units would take multiple turns at the battle, that’s how long it lasted. You could ostensibly have served at Verdun for a couple weeks, then gone to another battlefield for a couple weeks, have a couple weeks R&R, and then go back to Verdun and be in the worst battlefield in human history.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:14 am to red sox fan 13
WW1 easily.
After that would have to go with a famous civil war battle (Gettysburg, Antietam, etc). Or, Eastern front during a Russian winter of WW2 would suck giant nuts.
After that would have to go with a famous civil war battle (Gettysburg, Antietam, etc). Or, Eastern front during a Russian winter of WW2 would suck giant nuts.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:33 am to red sox fan 13
WW1 was awful. Old generals with old tactics using modern weapons. The trench warfare at the end of the Civil War was indicative of what was to occur in WW1, except during WW1 there were automatic weapons, American barbed wire, gas, and very accurate artillery.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:40 am to IAmNERD
As far as a single battle goes, Pickett’s charge may have been the worst for almost any American soldier in history. Half mile of open field charging against a barrage of musket and cannon fire inflicted over 50% casualties. In less than a hour, the Confederates suffered over 1,000 dead, 4,000 wounded and 3,000 captured. A major turning point in the war.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:13 am to MDB
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I was a combat Marine in Vietnam and wound up with two Purple Hearts for my efforts
'Rah Devil and Welcome the frick home brother.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:26 am to red sox fan 13
All of them - but I will go with the trenches of eastern France during WWI as being the shittiest time/place in the world to be.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:58 am to red sox fan 13
WWI
A soldier in a front trench was basically a sitting duck, luck whether you lived or died.
Plus, you really weren't fighting for anything.
A soldier in a front trench was basically a sitting duck, luck whether you lived or died.
Plus, you really weren't fighting for anything.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:50 pm to athenslife101
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To go more obscure, I’ll say the 3rd Crusade/Siege of Acre. Basically trench war for 3 years that left 40 thousand men dead. In the middle eastern heat. In heavy chain mail. With Middle Ages medicine.
Years? The Romans lost 20,000 men in just a few days in the Teutoburg Forest massacre. No one really knows how many more were maimed for life or taken as slaves.
I think I’d avoid war in any time period where the other side considered “OK, they’re ALL dead” to be only way to really declare victory.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:33 pm to red sox fan 13
Fascinating topic.
Depends on the era I guess. Deadliest Battles Ever.
And what our history teaches. We don't often know of some of the great battles throughout time unless we read about it, watch videos, actually visit the areas etc.
20th Century Battles.
One of the bloodiest battles in history? The Battle of Stalingrad. Estimated over two million casualties from Soviet and Axis forces. In horrifically brutal conditions. Unimaginable carnage.
I guess because of the movie, Gallipoli ranks up there with one of the worst for me. Can't imagine having to be in those trenches and ordered to charge. Cost of more than 250,000 casualties, including some 46,000 dead.
Civil War era would have been the Battle of Antietam where more than 23,000 soldiers were killed or wounded.
As a side note, if you're interested, here's a link from a recent trip to Slovenia. We stayed in the town of Kobarid. The Battle of Caporetto (also known as the Twelfth Battle of the Isonzo, the Battle of Kobarid or the Battle of Karfreit) was a battle on the Italian front of World War I. It was one of the biggest military catastrophes ever for the Italian Army. Italian casualties at Caporetto totaled almost 700,000—40,000 killed or wounded, 280,000 captured by the enemy and another 350,000 deserted. To walk the battle fields, see the trenches, was a once in a lifetime experience for me.
Depends on the era I guess. Deadliest Battles Ever.
And what our history teaches. We don't often know of some of the great battles throughout time unless we read about it, watch videos, actually visit the areas etc.
20th Century Battles.
One of the bloodiest battles in history? The Battle of Stalingrad. Estimated over two million casualties from Soviet and Axis forces. In horrifically brutal conditions. Unimaginable carnage.
I guess because of the movie, Gallipoli ranks up there with one of the worst for me. Can't imagine having to be in those trenches and ordered to charge. Cost of more than 250,000 casualties, including some 46,000 dead.
Civil War era would have been the Battle of Antietam where more than 23,000 soldiers were killed or wounded.
As a side note, if you're interested, here's a link from a recent trip to Slovenia. We stayed in the town of Kobarid. The Battle of Caporetto (also known as the Twelfth Battle of the Isonzo, the Battle of Kobarid or the Battle of Karfreit) was a battle on the Italian front of World War I. It was one of the biggest military catastrophes ever for the Italian Army. Italian casualties at Caporetto totaled almost 700,000—40,000 killed or wounded, 280,000 captured by the enemy and another 350,000 deserted. To walk the battle fields, see the trenches, was a once in a lifetime experience for me.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:00 pm to Darth_Vader
Laying low in a blood filled trench
Kill time' til my very own death
On my face I can feel the falling rain
Never see my friends again
In the smoke, in the mud and lead
Smell the fear and the feeling of dread
Soon be time to go over the wall
Rapid fire and the end of us all
Kill time' til my very own death
On my face I can feel the falling rain
Never see my friends again
In the smoke, in the mud and lead
Smell the fear and the feeling of dread
Soon be time to go over the wall
Rapid fire and the end of us all
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:22 pm to red sox fan 13
WW I . It was wholesale murder/slaughter on a level that was unthinkable even by WWII standards. Battle of the Somme was a scene that would have horrified Dante and his imagination. Close to 20,000 British soldiers ceased to exist by sundown on July 1,1916 after waking up for breakfast that morning very much alive. That was the Somme. Verdun was just a frickin horrific meat grinder.
The fact that Gen Haig was not shot on November 12 1918 remains one of the great tragedies of British history. To be fair none of the participating leaders of the belligerents had clean hands in that war.
The fact that Gen Haig was not shot on November 12 1918 remains one of the great tragedies of British history. To be fair none of the participating leaders of the belligerents had clean hands in that war.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:32 pm to red sox fan 13
WW1 - 1917 Verdun France.
Freezing cold, mud, constantly wet, low food supplies, trenches, constant bombing, gas.
Freezing cold, mud, constantly wet, low food supplies, trenches, constant bombing, gas.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:33 pm to KillTheGophers
I would say WW1, but I cant think of one reason someone could talk me into lining up in an open field and take turns firing at another army like the Napoleon wars.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:35 pm to MDB
Chosin....it is one of the reasons I would not criticize Charles Rangel....any man that could survive that earned his right to say or believe any damned thing he wants
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:57 pm to Aggies1998
quote:Yes, most American media is about the Western European Theater of WW2. While yes, it was a war and certainly wasn’t good by any means, it was far more tame and chivalrous than the other theaters in WW2. The other theaters were more total war situations where one side sought to exterminate the other, whereas the Western Front was less brutal (minus carpet bombings).
The European Theater is romanticized in my opinion due to D-Day.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:32 am to eScott
Not to mention living weeks, months constantly surrounded by the rotting and decaying corpses of your comrades with new ones being added every day.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:28 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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WW1 was awful. Old generals with old tactics using modern weapons. The trench warfare at the end of the Civil War was indicative of what was to occur in WW1, except during WW1 there were automatic weapons, American barbed wire, gas, and very accurate artillery.
Ironically nobody set out to make a stalemate. When the Germans ran out of room at the North Sea without turning the British flank, nobody could figure out how to break it. There were lots of innovations: combat aviation, gas, armored warfare, to name a few. But it took four years for both sides to learn how to put it all together in combined arms operations, at roughly the same time. 1918 was much more mobile than the previous three years, with both armies breaking out of their static trench lines into the open. The Germans ran out of manpower first.
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