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re: What will it take to reduce the obesity rate in the US?

Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:41 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:41 pm to
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This doesn't mean anything, either. Pulling up some random studies doesn't undo knowledge and reality


So using scientific evidence deduced by medical doctors in clinical environments doesn't mean anything, but your opinion because it's "reality" does? Makes sense.
Posted by Haydo
DTX
Member since Jul 2011
3005 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:42 pm to
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I think we have become desensitized to all these people waddling around.


Nope. Every time I have to stand next to a fatty in an elevator breathing heavily and smelling like ham I'm disgusted.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:50 pm to
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Here's an article that includes several studies that concluded that those who ate a healthy breakfast were more likely to maintain a healthy weight than those who skipped breakfast


On the linked study, this is the full results

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Subjects who ate 1 or 2 meals/d had a reduction in BMI per year (in kg · m-2 · y-1) (-0.035; 95% CI: -0.065, -0.004 and -0.029; 95% CI: -0.041, -0.017, respectively) compared with those who ate 3 meals/d. On the other hand, eating >3 meals/d (snacking) was associated with a relative increase in BMI (P < 0.001). Correspondingly, the BMI of subjects who had a long overnight fast (=18 h) decreased compared with those who had a medium overnight fast (12-17 h) (P < 0.001). Breakfast eaters (-0.029; 95% CI: -0.047, -0.012; P < 0.001) experienced a decreased BMI compared with breakfast skippers. Relative to subjects who ate their largest meal at dinner, those who consumed breakfast as the largest meal experienced a significant decrease in BMI (-0.038; 95% CI: -0.048, -0.028), and those who consumed a big lunch experienced a smaller but still significant decrease in BMI than did those who ate their largest meal at dinner.Conclusions: Our results suggest that in relatively healthy adults, eating less frequently, no snacking, consuming breakfast, and eating the largest meal in the morning may be effective methods for preventing long-term weight gain. Eating breakfast and lunch 5-6 h apart and making the overnight fast last 18-19 h may be a useful practical strategy.


My takeaway from the linked study: 1-2 meals per day better for weight loss, but if you have to eat 3 meals per day (i.e. your lifestyle demands it), then eat your biggest meal in the AM and not late at night.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8851 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:52 pm to
Stop making excuses for it.
Stop trying to normalize that it’s ok to weigh 400 pounds.
Family and friends need to hold each other accountable, you’re feelings don’t mean shite if your dead.
Food nutrition needs to be taught at an early age, and not the BS that comes from the Gov.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175646 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:52 pm to
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So using scientific evidence deduced by medical doctors in clinical environments doesn't mean anything, but your opinion because it's "reality" does? Makes sense.



Observational studies don't have reliable data. It's literally the same as having no data at all. You can immediately dismiss all of them as garbage if they don't have a subsequent real study to back up their hypothesis.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:52 pm to
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My takeaway from the linked study: 1-2 meals per day better for weight loss, but if you have to eat 3 meals per day (i.e. your lifestyle demands it), then eat your biggest meal in the AM and not late at night.


He didn't even read the article that he posted that was half questionnaires anyway
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
76779 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:02 pm to
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1. This isn't even a study, it's a questionnaire


What? The article absolutely cited two studies, a simple Google of those two studies prove they exist.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27870 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:03 pm to
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Serious answer, stopping ridiculing good programs simply because of who instituted them would help. I'm not an Obama fan, but the way Michelle Obama was treated over her desire to help childhood obesity with healthier school lunches was ridiculous. Have yall been to any schools lately? There are a lot of fat kids going to school.



It was admirable to want to combat childhood obesity, but school lunches aren't the problem honestly -- they haven't gotten anymore fattening over the last 25 years since I've eaten them, and yet childhood obesity rates have sky rocketed since I was in elementary school.

The problem is cultural and multifaceted. Kids aren't moving/exercising (they are video gaming or just sitting on their asses), recess/P.E. is being cut from schools,
parents aren't teaching their kids good eating habits or lifestyle choices (because they're either indifferent, ignorant, or "too busy"). frick, we as Americans can't even get up to toggle a light switch or adjust the AC settings in our home -- we do it by an app so we can sit our fat asses on the couch.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1583 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:08 pm to
Simple. Stop voting conservative. Democrats will make us a socialist country and within a generation there will be no pets in the cities and everyone will be slender.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1583 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Nope. Every time I have to stand next to a fatty in an elevator breathing heavily and smelling like ham I'm disgusted.


Smelling of Bacon would be tolerable
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:15 pm to
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So using scientific evidence deduced by medical doctors in clinical environments doesn't mean anything, but your opinion because it's "reality" does? Makes sense.


This isn't my opinion. It's actual science, and years of it, and the majority of it. It's also a bit of basic biology and chemistry.

Again, feel free to bring any of these studies forward and explain them. I'd love to see that happen.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:23 pm to
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This isn't my opinion. It's actual science, and years of it, and the majority of it. It's also a bit of basic biology and chemistry.


Your backwards.

quote:

Again, feel free to bring any of these studies forward and explain them. I'd love to see that happen.



I challenge you to do the same as a study that your compadre posted, in fact, agreed with me.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40171 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:24 pm to
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Yeah let's blame this on the government and not personal responsibility.
The government has been the main driver of the obesity epidemic. They took and ran with LOUSY and DISHONEST "nutrition science" and then codified it around 1980 with the absurd food pyramid. Americans LISTENED TO AND FOLLOWED this advice - to the point that it is now orthodoxy even among the healthcare professionals and other authorities they are supposed to be able to trust.

I'm usually big on the personal responsibility theme, but I really can understand when the average joe is completely perplexed by the conflicting messages of what he's being told.

We need to eliminate the food pyramid and make some kind of effort to remove carbs from EVERY SINGLE FOOD that people eat.
This post was edited on 9/13/18 at 5:48 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:27 pm to
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Your backwards.


*You're.

And no I'm not. I've offered you the chance to show that several times.

We both know why you haven't done that.

quote:

I challenge you to do the same.


That's nice.

Go ahead and provide something, anything, to support what you're saying and we'll go from there.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:27 pm to
I truly don't understand why politicians haven't gone after the low hanging fruit of restricting food stamps to healthier essentials.

Water
Milk
Eggs
Bread
Cheese
Pasta
Fruit
Vegetables
etc.

Its always the people paying with government assistance that have family sized red drink jugs, off-brand tubs of ice cream, and 10 frozen dinners.

Two birds, one stone. Somebody needs to step up and lead that charge.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:28 pm to
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The government has been the main driver of the obesity epidemic.


They've been the biggest enabler.

Parents are the driver. Bad parenting is the reason for 99% of our country's issues.

Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

t was admirable to want to combat childhood obesity, but school lunches aren't the problem honestly -- they haven't gotten anymore fattening over the last 25 years since I've eaten them, and yet childhood obesity rates have sky rocketed since I was in elementary school.


I get that, I'm just saying that she was trying to make moves in an area where the government actually does have a say, and she got destroyed for it. That wasn't cool at all.

Can you imagine the outcry there would have been if she had came out and said "all yall fatasss need to get out and exercise with your fat arse kids, and we're gonna pass a law to make you do it?" LOL
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24878 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:34 pm to
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A healthy breakfast is important to overall health because it helps get the entire day off to a good place.

The problem is many people treat breakfast almost like dessert
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 9/13/18 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Again, feel free to bring any of these studies forward and explain them. I'd love to see that happen.


quote:

Subjects who ate 1 or 2 meals/d had a reduction in BMI per year (in kg · m-2 · y-1) (-0.035; 95% CI: -0.065, -0.004 and -0.029; 95% CI: -0.041, -0.017, respectively) compared with those who ate 3 meals/d. On the other hand, eating >3 meals/d (snacking) was associated with a relative increase in BMI (P < 0.001). Correspondingly, the BMI of subjects who had a long overnight fast (=18 h) decreased compared with those who had a medium overnight fast (12-17 h) (P < 0.001). Breakfast eaters (-0.029; 95% CI: -0.047, -0.012; P < 0.001) experienced a decreased BMI compared with breakfast skippers. Relative to subjects who ate their largest meal at dinner, those who consumed breakfast as the largest meal experienced a significant decrease in BMI (-0.038; 95% CI: -0.048, -0.028), and those who consumed a big lunch experienced a smaller but still significant decrease in BMI than did those who ate their largest meal at dinner.Conclusions: Our results suggest that in relatively healthy adults, eating less frequently, no snacking, consuming breakfast, and eating the largest meal in the morning may be effective methods for preventing long-term weight gain. Eating breakfast and lunch 5-6 h apart and making the overnight fast last 18-19 h may be a useful practical strategy.


Synopsis:
Eating 1 or 2 meals a day is better than three
If you're going to eat 3, breakfast being the largest meal is the best option but worse than above.

Also

quote:

Regular fasting, in addition to lowering insulin levels, has also been shown to improve insulin sensitivitysignificantly. 



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Growth hormone is known to increase the availability and utility of fats for fuel. It also helps to preserve muscle mass and bone density. Growth hormone secretion decreases steadily with age. One of the most potent stimuli to growth hormone secretion is fasting. Over a five-day fasting period growth hormone secretion more than doubled.


quote:

Noradrenaline levels are increased so that we have plenty of energy to go get more food. For example, 48 hours of fasting produces a 3.6% increase in metabolic rate





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