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re: What was the feeling of helping Vietnam at the time at the start of the war?
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:07 am to Civildawg
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:07 am to Civildawg
I have to wonder how much different SE Asia, or the world for that matter, would be if the west (US) had stayed home.
Ironically, Richard Nixon(R), love him or hate him, played a big part in ceasing the draft in 1973.
Ironically, Richard Nixon(R), love him or hate him, played a big part in ceasing the draft in 1973.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:26 am to cypresstiger
We sent troops to Korea because the post WWII agreement was broken. If we didn’t stop a Soviet proxy from claiming territory that wasn’t there’s then there was nothing stopping the Soviets from attempting to take the rest of Berlin or more of Western Europe.
Our relative success in Korea is where things went off the rails and the US felt we needed to become the worldwide communist police and came up with the disastrous domino theory, sucking US into the Vietnam quagmire where we didn’t even understand why they were fighting. Vietnam had just kicked France out. They saw it as another war against a colonial empire. They were never going to stop fighting.
Our relative success in Korea is where things went off the rails and the US felt we needed to become the worldwide communist police and came up with the disastrous domino theory, sucking US into the Vietnam quagmire where we didn’t even understand why they were fighting. Vietnam had just kicked France out. They saw it as another war against a colonial empire. They were never going to stop fighting.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:05 am to Breauxsif
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Neither JFK nor LBJ wanted to be the president who "lost" Vietnam, fearing it would trigger political suicide at home and project weakness to the Soviets globally. The real threat was the western political left winged apparatus that framed the Vietnam War not merely as a localized Cold War conflict, but as an unjust, imperialist intervention against a sovereign nation seeking self-determination, which was the real threat on the home front.
You aren't wrong, but you also have to factor in that there was a draft, and deferments were being handed out to the children of the elite. The men that were being sent there against their will were mostly black and poor whites. And the perception was that they were fighting and dying in order for the MIC to profit.
There was no existential threat to the US like there had been in WWII.
That stirred up a lot of domestic opposition, especially among young people.
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:12 am to TigerHornII
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3. Greece and Italy nearly fell to majority communist "elected" governments, again with the help of the KGB. Many historians think the presence of American carrier battle groups in the major harbors of both countries during the critical elections are all that saved them from far bolder KGB and insurgent actions.
I was actually in Italy in 1974 for my aunt's wedding. I was 14 years old. It was nuts. I remember going out to eat in Rome one night at one of those restaurants that has tables on the sidewalk. There were communist posters plastered all over the walls. Some violence went down that caused a bunch of emergency vehicles to go rushing around the streets while we were eating. Someone set of a bomb at a rally. Caused a lot of injuries, but no one was killed from my recollection.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:15 am to Civildawg
I'm currently reading a book on Lyndon Johnson's White House years and he definitely wasn't a war hawk, but he had plenty of Lindsey Grahams and John Boltons in his administration that were and they basically steered him into it. Should have just pulled out the small contingent that Kennedy had put over there and left it alone. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but the South Vietnamese leadership was very sketchy in the beginning anyway, so it made no sense for us to be working over there.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:19 am to TheFonz
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Vietnam became the first “televised war.” The national media was showing combat footage each evening, inserting their own opinions into the matter, and was giving a weekly body count. That turned a lot of Americans off on the war.
I was a young teen then. I watched the evening news every night. My recollection is the body count was daily.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:24 am to Stinger_1066
One could argue Vietnam started this nation's decline. We haven't recovered from it.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:25 am to Civildawg
Southeast Asian Treaty Organization (SEATO) called for the USA to come to the military assistance of a nation in danger of attack by communism. Bascially the treaty was put in place to stop the spread of communism. Just like NATO.
In August 1964 our pal Lyndon Johnson instigated the Gulf of Tonkin incident to justify expanding the ground force presence in Viet Nam. That did the trick, the Viet Nam War resulted. When the war finally ended 58,200 of our finest young men were dead. And many Viet Nam Veterans are still dying from exposure to Agent Orange.
Lyndon Johnson was not only a morally bankrupt individual but a scheming,corrupt manipulative politician as well. Seems to be a defining trait of democrat Presidents beginning with the Johnson era. Under democrat leadership America is for sale.
So Lyndon Johnson plunged us into the Viet Nam War - which we eventually lost. In addition to engaging in sex with a female aid in the Oval Office, Bill Clinton's claim to fame is that he sent his Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary to negotiate the handing over of our super computer and nuclear warhead miniaturization technology to Chyna in exchange for $$$. War head and super computer technology Chyna shared with their ally North Korea.(hint: we have to assume that technology is in Iran's possession). So at this present moment North Korean ICBM's with those miniaturized nuke warheads are pointed at the United States. Then in an absurd moment of white guilt America elected Barook Hussein Obama - America's first Islamo-Marxist President. Mentored by the avowed Communist Frank Marshall Davis - his claim to fame is that he opened the immigration gate to legions of Islamic migrants. The Islamics quickly set about building mosque......lots of mosque and outbreeding the infidels. They are now focused on building muslim cities governed by Sharia Law. Their pal Zohran Mamdani is now the mayor of New York City - a city that saw the horrors of 9/11. Do not deceive yourself - Islam is at war with America.
And last but not least the mafia democrats exploited the Covid-19 Pandemic to steal the Presidency in 2020 from Donald Trump and install the buffoon Joe Biden as President. Joe Biden has continued the democrat obsession with Chyna. Recently we learned that many of the columnist in major newspapers in this country are on the ChiCom payroll - as are the talking heads at CNN, CBS, NBC, and to a lesser extent - ABC. All these talking heads, these columnist are paid to do one thing - trash President Trump.
My concern has always been the acquisiton of nukes by rogue nations. And right now, my biggest fear is Iran. They have the enriched uranium, they've tested a version of an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM). People forget they fired two of those missiles at our bases in Europe. One missile failed in flight and the other one was shot down by American anti-ballistic defense system.
President Trump is engaged in diplomacy with Iran with the threat of resumption of a bombing campaign. Above all he's trying to avoid having to commit ground forces in Iran (thanks to Viet Nam we can't deferientiate a legitimate need to commit ground troops from a false one). I believe Iran is stalling, waiting, scheming, and somewhere in a deep underground bunker they're putting the finishing touches on a nuclear bomb. Then they'll merge the thing with their version of an ICBM and point it at the USA then tell Donald Trump to stop the bombing or else.
IMO all we need for a global nuclear war is for America to hand power back to the mafia democrats. If they win in November, the first thing they will do is impeach President Trump and that scares me. You cringe? FACT, democrats make war and some Republicans sell us out.
Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
In August 1964 our pal Lyndon Johnson instigated the Gulf of Tonkin incident to justify expanding the ground force presence in Viet Nam. That did the trick, the Viet Nam War resulted. When the war finally ended 58,200 of our finest young men were dead. And many Viet Nam Veterans are still dying from exposure to Agent Orange.
Lyndon Johnson was not only a morally bankrupt individual but a scheming,corrupt manipulative politician as well. Seems to be a defining trait of democrat Presidents beginning with the Johnson era. Under democrat leadership America is for sale.
So Lyndon Johnson plunged us into the Viet Nam War - which we eventually lost. In addition to engaging in sex with a female aid in the Oval Office, Bill Clinton's claim to fame is that he sent his Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary to negotiate the handing over of our super computer and nuclear warhead miniaturization technology to Chyna in exchange for $$$. War head and super computer technology Chyna shared with their ally North Korea.(hint: we have to assume that technology is in Iran's possession). So at this present moment North Korean ICBM's with those miniaturized nuke warheads are pointed at the United States. Then in an absurd moment of white guilt America elected Barook Hussein Obama - America's first Islamo-Marxist President. Mentored by the avowed Communist Frank Marshall Davis - his claim to fame is that he opened the immigration gate to legions of Islamic migrants. The Islamics quickly set about building mosque......lots of mosque and outbreeding the infidels. They are now focused on building muslim cities governed by Sharia Law. Their pal Zohran Mamdani is now the mayor of New York City - a city that saw the horrors of 9/11. Do not deceive yourself - Islam is at war with America.
And last but not least the mafia democrats exploited the Covid-19 Pandemic to steal the Presidency in 2020 from Donald Trump and install the buffoon Joe Biden as President. Joe Biden has continued the democrat obsession with Chyna. Recently we learned that many of the columnist in major newspapers in this country are on the ChiCom payroll - as are the talking heads at CNN, CBS, NBC, and to a lesser extent - ABC. All these talking heads, these columnist are paid to do one thing - trash President Trump.
My concern has always been the acquisiton of nukes by rogue nations. And right now, my biggest fear is Iran. They have the enriched uranium, they've tested a version of an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM). People forget they fired two of those missiles at our bases in Europe. One missile failed in flight and the other one was shot down by American anti-ballistic defense system.
President Trump is engaged in diplomacy with Iran with the threat of resumption of a bombing campaign. Above all he's trying to avoid having to commit ground forces in Iran (thanks to Viet Nam we can't deferientiate a legitimate need to commit ground troops from a false one). I believe Iran is stalling, waiting, scheming, and somewhere in a deep underground bunker they're putting the finishing touches on a nuclear bomb. Then they'll merge the thing with their version of an ICBM and point it at the USA then tell Donald Trump to stop the bombing or else.
IMO all we need for a global nuclear war is for America to hand power back to the mafia democrats. If they win in November, the first thing they will do is impeach President Trump and that scares me. You cringe? FACT, democrats make war and some Republicans sell us out.
Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:30 am to Darth_Vader
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I’m betting Ken Burn’s documentary didn’t mention the fact the origins of the anti-Vietnam War movement was from leftist and communist groups, all under KGB influence, operating in American universities.
Now why would Ken Burns tell on his side like that?
He’s a radical fricking leftist.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 9:28 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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One of my sickest stomachs learning that all those people died for nothing…but for Nixon’s power quests.
Nixon, who was not in any office when our first boots on the ground came 5 years after he was defeated by Kennedy, is to blame for the people that died over there.... not Kennedy or LBJ?
This post was edited on 8/4/26 at 9:30 am
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