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re: What in the actual frick - 4 day school weeks

Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:34 am to
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:34 am to
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my mom was a school teacher, loved it,
my mom hates it so she switched careers, not sure why the teachers that complain, stay

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stay at home mom is the hardest job in the world and the there's no greater pain then child birth
what about child birth at home?? (Jk )
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:36 am to
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They should make 75k for the crap they put up with.


Its a choice they as individuals make.

The hours, parents and pay is a choice they make for a career.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:36 am to
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Or, just admit reality, which is that the vast majority of teachers, admins, parents , and students know exactly who the good and bad teachers are.


Fact. I’ve told anyone who would listen for years that the way teachers are evaluated doesn’t give a true picture of effectiveness. Ask the students (and involved parents, if you like). They are in the teachers’ classrooms every day. This would give a much more accurate picture of teacher effectiveness than a once-per-semester, one period observation.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:41 am to
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I’ve told anyone who would listen for years that the way teachers are evaluated doesn’t give a true picture of effectiveness. Ask the students (and involved parents, if you like). They are in the teachers’ classrooms every day. This would give a much more accurate picture of teacher effectiveness than a once-per-semester, one period observation.
y’all are starting to understand why education is completely broken. You can be an effective, concerned, dedicated teacher who gets real results but the teacher tgst checks bixes and teaches memorizing some standardized test gets the better assessment

We basically judge our kids the same way.

Understanding material is not the goal. Taking the test is.

My kids are either straight As or close and I am appalled at their ability to write more than a paragraph.

I’ve had them writing this summer. It is slightly better

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:42 am to
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what about child birth at home??


different animal right there, my parents and all of their siblings were born at home(different homes,) on their respective kitchen tables
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:43 am to
To pull this back on the 4 day topic…

If teachers work so much after school and after work, how about we do the 4 days schedule for students and then the teachers all come in on that 5th day for the full day so they don’t have to work at home after hours.

They could do all of their planning, and grading, and copy making, and meetings on that Friday.

I suspect that the teachers don’t really want that. They just want an extra day off.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 11:45 am
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:43 am to
I have friends who’ve had their kids at home

They don’t complain and they’re stay at home moms too
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:44 am to
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To pull this back on the 4 day topic… If teachers work so much after school and after work, how about we do the 4 days schedule for students and then the teachers all come in on that 5th day for the full day so they don’t have to work at home. They could do all of their planning, and grading, and copy making, and meetings on that Friday.


Honestly I would rather this than just being free to have an extra day off. Our district did it with Wednesdays the year after covid (unfortunately we were one of the ones that went virtual most of the year) for half days and it was nice having the quiet time for a couple hours to focus and plan things out.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 11:46 am
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:45 am to
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Its a choice they as individuals make. The hours, parents and pay is a choice they make for a career.


It’s an easier choice for qualified individuals who can make double or triple the pay elsewhere.

I don’t have the answers, but I do wonder how many very good teachers are simply doing something else.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:45 am to
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They don’t complain and they’re stay at home moms too



I suspect it's mostly the stay at home moms that are posting on FB from Starbuck's while the kids are at day school or with the nanny and the maid is cleaning the house
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26052 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:46 am to
Let's all dodge the issue - shitty kids with disinterested or nonexistent parents who ruin school for everyone else.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
19283 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:48 am to
I’ve met maybe a handful of teachers so incredible it didn’t matter if all their students had shitty parents. So that’s a decent point.

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:50 am to
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Until no child behind goes away nothing will ever change

This. 100%>
Posted by Motownsix
NOLA
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:53 am to
I’m for a lot of things involving school reform. Not sure a four day week is good or bad. The summer break needs to be cut in half. Too much brain drain takes place during the summer especially the young kinds. The school day needs to be cut in half. Kids are in school way too long in a single day. They’re capable of about 3-4 hours a learning max, after that their heads explode. 75% of the school day is babysitting.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299628 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:57 am to
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The summer break needs to be cut in half. Too much brain drain takes place during the summer


Its called the summer slide, and its very minimal and has no long term affect on overall learning. I think it amounts to one month overall, which can be fixed easily by reading a book or two during break.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 11:58 am
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:57 am to
From all the down votes, it appears there are a lot of OT who receive government school paychecks.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2304 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:58 am to
I love the board’s logic: education is important and our schools are terrible but let’s pay them beans because they know what they are getting into out of college. As opposed to paying them well and attracting talented teachers while weeding out the crappy ones because there would be plenty of applicants instead of massive shortages today
Posted by Motownsix
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Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:59 am to
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4 10's are great for adults. My fear is that the last 2-3 hours are going to wasted with kids. Of course the teachers are more concerned with their 3-day weekend than whether or not their students can read or do math


Picture yourself even as an adult doing an 8-10 training in one day where you are learning new material you’re supposed to master. The adult brain would tire long before that. Children basically go insane.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18530 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:12 pm to
You’re not entirely right but close enough I get your point and you’re right most teachers don’t have much more than a 40 hr work week. I think the major headaches are the students at most places. I’m just a coach though so I can’t lie my workday is cake I just have to be there until 5 or 6 most days and I only get 2 weeks off in summer
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92260 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:15 pm to
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I’m just a coach though so I can’t lie my workday is cake


most of the coaches at my hs would play handball, tennis, lift weights, or bang some the young girls or student teachers all day, even worse when their sport wasn't in season, a few, very few, had secondary assignments
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