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re: What has Elon Musk done to Twitter employees for them to hate him?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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And how could the American right allow it to happen?
The American right has been neutered for the last 50+ years. The Old Right (embodied by Robert Taft and Howard Buffett) was supplanted by neoconservatives, who hijacked the entire conservative movement in favor of principles that are so far removed from limited government it boggles the mind. The Republican Party essentially excommunicated Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul for decades, the two men today who most embody what the Old Right used to stand for.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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How was it accomplished?
And how could the American right allow it to happen?
This is obviously a huge topic we couldn't really scratch the surface of in a short time period, but two things that came to mind -
Academia is trickle down. It's an incubator for bad ideas that for a long time stayed bad ideas because practical people in business and other productive fields looked a them and said "wow, what a bad idea."
BUT, you can only have kids go through the academic motions for so long before eventually it will begin to stick and bear fruit. Same for DEI type stuff - for years this was check the box in board rooms, but after a couple of decades of college indoctrination and being told about privilege at the office, it's not terribly surprising that institutions are finding this stuff more deeply rooted, even in the corporate world. When something is repeated over and over as fact and cannot be questioned, eventually people will accept it as fact that can't be questioned.
Obviously "how did the crazies get a hold of academia" and "how did they get a hold of most media outlets" probably have somewhat similar answers, but it's beyond my ability to try and explain.
Another overarching factor here, IMO, is the absence of genuine strife for the last several decades. A small percent of Americans were directly impacted by 9/11. A small percent went to war. And so on and so forth. We've had the luxury to become soft and ingratiate bad ideas. In the absence of genuine struggle/conflict/disparity we've allowed fabricated struggle to come to the forefront and take root in the collective consciousness.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:56 pm to SCLibertarian
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The American right has been neutered for the last 50+ years. The Old Right (embodied by Robert Taft and Howard Buffett) was supplanted by neoconservatives, who hijacked the entire conservative movement in favor of principles that are so far removed from limited government it boggles the mind. The Republican Party essentially excommunicated Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul for decades, the two men today who most embody what the Old Right used to stand for.
The right (like the church, I might add) has been busy trying to adapt to the cultural tide instead of providing a bold alternative to it. Of course, rampant hypocrisy and self interest hasn't helped.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:58 pm to NOLAVOL16
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News Media, entertainment, and education were done via self selection and peer pressure.
What does this mean in the context of national media and education markets?
It seems that if one side can take control, why can't the other?
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Tech and Social media attract younger and more radical people. These people think they’re saving the planet and fighting the good fight.
Big Business and to a lesser extent churches talk the talk to stop the other groups from boycotting them.
Is it just about messaging? The right really has no appealing message to promote?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:01 pm to Deuces
It’s the narrative control.
Twitter really is like 10% loud people.
They want their weird shite to seem like more people agree with it than they really do.
For example, being gay. The 30% of young people claiming they are gay aren’t. But Twitter would make it seem like 30% is a low number.
Twitter really is like 10% loud people.
They want their weird shite to seem like more people agree with it than they really do.
For example, being gay. The 30% of young people claiming they are gay aren’t. But Twitter would make it seem like 30% is a low number.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:02 pm to Pettifogger
Why on earth are you even trying to engage in a conversation with this fricking liberal loser?? She has no interest in what you’re trying to explain.. rather, she’s gonna let you type paragraph after paragraph and nitpick the smallest detail and make you go further and further into it until you finally realize that you are no longer talking about the original shite you wanted to talk about
Everyone knows you’re right. Everyone sees this shite play in day in and day out. The left has controlled damn near every single major news outlet and they have been pushing their bullshite narratives for a decade+
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Leave that pussy alone. she has no genuine interest in what you’re saying. This is all just an elaborate attempt at a ‘gotcha’ after you’ve typed out post after post of good info
Everyone knows you’re right. Everyone sees this shite play in day in and day out. The left has controlled damn near every single major news outlet and they have been pushing their bullshite narratives for a decade+
TLDR:
Leave that pussy alone. she has no genuine interest in what you’re saying. This is all just an elaborate attempt at a ‘gotcha’ after you’ve typed out post after post of good info
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:04 pm to Mr. Hangover
I'm waiting for the "what about Fox News" to be trotted out while they conveniently ignore every other major media organization in the country. 
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:05 pm to Mr. Hangover
I don't have any background with him/her/they/xe, so I didn't appreciate they weren't genuine
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:12 pm to Centinel
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I'm waiting for the "what about Fox News" to be trotted out while they conveniently ignore every other major media organization in the country.
Well let's talk about it now
FNC and WSJ are the big outliers. They're arguably the biggest players in each space.
The issue is raw numbers vs. chunk of influence. The argument will be that FNC gets like 40% of all TV news eyeballs (making this up), so in reality it's a pretty fair and close contest, right? Same for WSJ.
But the unspoken advantage is the credibility boost provided by the sheer number of leftist voices. When 5+ networks are going in one direction and FNC is going the other, the 5 will all pat each other on the back, refer to each other as sources, verify each other's speculation and opinion, etc. With newspapers, it's obviously even worse because the numbers are huge.
Even with blogs and internet only stuff, lefty outlets have the advantage of falling back to legacy media, whereas conservative media has to rely on other conservative sources - an easier attack to make. Add in social media, and you get to the point where Facebook relies on Slate which can rely on CNN which refers to an ABC News report.
Meanwhile, the right wing equivalent is what? Daily Wire relying on FNC?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:12 pm to Deuces
quote:He is alive and breathing.
What has Elon Musk done to Twitter employees for them to hate him?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:16 pm to Pettifogger
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This is obviously a huge topic
When you're talking about one political ideology taking over the entire cultural infrastructure of a society, it's the HUGEST topic conceivable.
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Academia is trickle down. It's an incubator for bad ideas that for a long time stayed bad ideas because practical people in business and other productive fields looked a them and said "wow, what a bad idea."
I'm not sure I follow. You're implying that "academia" has no good ideas when it is the incubator of most of our ideas - good and bad. Practical people in business and "other productive fields" take good ideas from academia all the time.
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When something is repeated over and over as fact and cannot be questioned, eventually people will accept it as fact that can't be questioned.
This is how I fell about the statement, "The left has taken over academia."
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Obviously "how did the crazies get a hold of academia" and "how did they get a hold of most media outlets" probably have somewhat similar answers, but it's beyond my ability to try and explain.
If it is as you say, then it would seem so important to figure out, that we should ALL be working on it.
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In the absence of genuine struggle/conflict/disparity we've allowed fabricated struggle to come to the forefront and take root in the collective consciousness.
I can get behind this. It seems that we have become complacent, and tend to want to just blame others for our discontent, and really don't want to do what it takes to even out the power structure.
Personally, I think it's more of a corporate takeover of power, and we're simply led to believe that there is this terrific rift in American ideologies so that we fight each other over essentially nothing, while corporate power grows.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:19 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't have any background with him/her/they/xe, so I didn't appreciate they weren't genuine
You’re talking to one of the biggest liberal lunatics on this site
She’s on par with tboy and the rest of the leftists on this site. Same thing
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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This is how I fell about the statement, "The left has taken over academia."
Are you maintaining academia is not overwhelmingly leftist in political ideology?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:31 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What does this mean in the context of national media and education markets?
It means that more liberal people chose journalism and education as professions while conservatives went elsewhere, probably for more money. Over the years, peer pressure drowned out any remaining conservatives from most institutions to the point today where a conservative in education is actively harassed and fired for saying a word so few even bother going there anymore. Same with journalism. Over the years they just get more and more extreme. Now that they’ve weeded out most conservatives, they’ve moved on to leftist purity tests - how woke can you get.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:37 pm to Deuces
They’re scared all their cooperative censorship partnership with the Democratic Party is about to get exposed for the whole world to see.
If Musk digs in and exposes it everyone will be shocked at how symbiotic the relationship is.
If Musk digs in and exposes it everyone will be shocked at how symbiotic the relationship is.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:40 pm to NOLAVOL16
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It means that more liberal people chose journalism and education as professions while conservatives went elsewhere, probably for more money. Over the years, peer pressure drowned out any remaining conservatives from most institutions to the point today where a conservative in education is actively harassed and fired for saying a word so few even bother going there anymore. Same with journalism. Over the years they just get more and more extreme. Now that they’ve weeded out most conservatives, they’ve moved on to leftist purity tests - how woke can you get.
This -- and even sports journalism. Look at the Project Veritas ESPN video. All of those people in sports journalism talking about being pressured to toe the line and keep their mouths shut.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:47 pm to Pettifogger
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But the unspoken advantage is the credibility boost provided by the sheer number of leftist voices. When 5+ networks are going in one direction and FNC is going the other, the 5 will all pat each other on the back, refer to each other as sources, verify each other's speculation and opinion, etc. With newspapers, it's obviously even worse because the numbers are huge.
This is hugely important and I don't see it mentioned enough. There's a group of legacy media that always agree with each other and with the establishment state. When one makes a stretch of the truth, the rest somehow all make the same crazy claim within 24hrs. And somehow none of them will attack each other for disinformation when their claims end up easily disproven.
It becomes really obvious once you're paying attention, but most Americans are too busy to be paying attention or they're just benefiting from the grift.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:50 pm to efrad
I’m not even saying there is some massive conspiracy to take over these places. Most of it just happened over the years simply because people don’t like working somewhere that is openly hostile to your beliefs so anyone with a differing opinion just decided to avoid the hassle in the first place.
So now we have a media that only covers events from one angle, academia that incubates only one type of thought, entertainment that tries to make the abnormal seem common, and a social media population ready and willing to go to war for any offense(including the crime of being silent), which means business has to tow the line or face negative press and boycotts.
But some of this is starting to backfire. Morgan Wallen for instance. Decent music but became so popular because he was unfairly attacked by obvious hacks.
So now we have a media that only covers events from one angle, academia that incubates only one type of thought, entertainment that tries to make the abnormal seem common, and a social media population ready and willing to go to war for any offense(including the crime of being silent), which means business has to tow the line or face negative press and boycotts.
But some of this is starting to backfire. Morgan Wallen for instance. Decent music but became so popular because he was unfairly attacked by obvious hacks.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:53 pm to Deuces
They are terrified he might do to them the same thing they’ve been doing to others, or even just painting with the same brush equally.
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