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re: What good reason is there to believe in God?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:55 pm to UFFan
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:55 pm to UFFan
Blind faith
No one can understand, or really comprehend, “everything “. It’s impossible.
Like why do kids get cancer, but total POS’s get rich, etc…. That’s not fair. But it’s for a reason- and not for us to decide.
It sucks sometimes bc there really isn’t an answer… and not bc of faith and belief.
That’s your choice…. Just be prepared for the consequences if you are wrong
No one can understand, or really comprehend, “everything “. It’s impossible.
Like why do kids get cancer, but total POS’s get rich, etc…. That’s not fair. But it’s for a reason- and not for us to decide.
It sucks sometimes bc there really isn’t an answer… and not bc of faith and belief.
That’s your choice…. Just be prepared for the consequences if you are wrong
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:55 pm to UFFan
It gives some people comfort to think someone is in charge and there's a purpose to all this. I'm less and less able to believe that over the years but I respect anyone who still can. I think it does make life easier.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:56 pm to cgrand
quote:I think you are conflating micro and macro evolution. One stating humans came from a single cell as did every other form of a life originating from nothing. The other that bears in a cold environment would by survival and need develop denser fur and higher fat content over generations and only the strong surviving and therefore those traits being the ones to survive.
why would he start life on earth with single celled organisms
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:56 pm to UFFan
So you don't burn in hell dummy
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:57 pm to UFFan
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why should you believe that God exists?
Purpose. Feeling a part of a grand design makes this otherwise meaningless existence seem much more worth while. If we die and go to the dirt, then truly nothing matters. It provides hope where there is none. We will see our loved ones again. We will be healthy and strong forever. Experiencing the best parts this life can give us, but much much more.
Death sucks. Living can suck worse, but death is a huge scary bummer. That's why.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:58 pm to Dumpster Diver
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Dumpster Diver
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So hopefully we won't have to spend eternity surrounded by douchebags like you.
How very Christian-like of you.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:59 pm to cgrand
quote:Read your own statement again and then tell us how the one planet of all of that with intelligent life is "unremarkable".
there is no evidence of a omniscient and all powerful being in the universe who favors hairless primates on an otherwise unremarkable and entirely unimportant speck of rock inside one of billions and billions of galaxies.
the universe does not play favorites
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:59 pm to UFFan
Well, this entire universe didn't just poof into existence. Some higher being/power/creator has to exist.
Now is Jesus Christ the son of God? Maybe not.
Is their any 100% correct religion. 100% no.
But I assure there is a higher power than us humans here on earth
Now is Jesus Christ the son of God? Maybe not.
Is their any 100% correct religion. 100% no.
But I assure there is a higher power than us humans here on earth
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
that is natural selection and has nothing to do with “god”. My question is that if god is omnipotent why did he not just create the ideal human environment and the ideal human in one fell stroke? That’s the genesis story by the way which we know to be a fiction
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:02 pm to cgrand
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there is no evidence of a omniscient and all powerful being in the universe who favors hairless primates on an otherwise unremarkable and entirely unimportant speck of rock inside one of billions and billions of galaxies
Can you prove there isn’t a God
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:02 pm to cgrand
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ts worse than contradictory is completely illogical. if god is all powerful why would he start life on earth with single celled organisms? why not just cut to the chase?
the problem with an omnipotent god is that for he/she to favor human beings on planet earth makes him/her just as unremarkable as we are. my god is much, much bigger than that
Why would God need to do anything God does? Just like the heaven discussion a week or so ago, if they goal is to get to heaven just so we can worship God all the time, why doesn't God just make us worship him all the time from the jump? Why start some people out on a tougher path to salvation than others?
I think the idea that he took something from a single cell and made it into what humanity is today is a sign of a MUCH more thoughtful and caring God than just snapping fingers. Being a good gardener or farmer wouldn't account for anything if the plants sprouted and grew to maturity right after being planted. Imagine taking all the care and precision it would require to get humans from one cell to what we are now?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:04 pm to StrongOffer
quote:it is unremarkable because we know know (unlike in the 1st century AD) that the ingredients for life are literally everywhere in the universe…all over the place. There is nothing remarkable about life here on earth than there is anything remarkable about the rocks under your feet.
tell us how the one planet of all of that with intelligent life is "unremarkable".
What would be remarkable (and it certainly appeared that way in biblical times) is if we were alone. The chances of that are infinitely small. And that would beg the question of what in the hell is the point of the rest of the universe if that were so?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:04 pm to UFFan
Because if you don't there's hell to pay
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:05 pm to xBirdx
quote:Can't stand this argument. Christianity isn't based on blind faith. All of the evidence points toward it being true. That's the only reason I'm a Christian. The reason new age atheism is going the way of the dodo bird is because they never even tried to come up with an explanation for how or why we got here. Scientific and historical evidence points to a creator more and more with every new discovery.
Blind faith
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:05 pm to UFFan
Jesus, he said to believe in him, and all those that do, and accept him into their lives, will have eternal life. Jesus died to save you.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:06 pm to Toss_Dive
quote:no sir I cannot prove a negative and neither can you. It seems to me the burden of proof should be upon the claimant
Can you prove there isn’t a God
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:06 pm to UFFan
Some people need an answer to everything.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:11 pm to cgrand
We are both making truth claims.
The creation of the universe, fine tuning, consciousness and the fact that I have free will leads me to believe there is a God
The creation of the universe, fine tuning, consciousness and the fact that I have free will leads me to believe there is a God
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:11 pm to cgrand
quote:Your premise isn't scientific in any way. You are creating a hypothesis with no way of falsifying it. We don't know what creates life. If it exists everywhere in the universe, why don't we see life all over the place?
it is unremarkable because we know know (unlike in the 1st century AD) that the ingredients for life are literally everywhere in the universe…all over the place. There is nothing remarkable about life here on earth than there is anything remarkable about the rocks under your feet.
What would be remarkable (and it certainly appeared that way in biblical times) is if we were alone. The chances of that are infinitely small. And that would beg the question of what in the hell is the point of the rest of the universe if that were so?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:13 pm to UFFan
Adults pretend to believe in God because it is what is expected of them. Very few thankfully actually believe in God and the way they lead their lives and behave toward themselves and toward others belies the fact that they actually think God exists. It indicates that they know for a certainty that there is no god OR they do not buy into the teachings of God.
Belief is a lower order of human concept than faith. Belief is an intellectual acceptance of verifiable facts....something that no human has, anyone claiming otherwise is admitting they lack what is required and is a much higher human concept than belief and that is faith. Faith is acceptance in one's heart and mind that something exists in the absence of concrete evidence of its existence. I believe in gravity because I can verify it exists. I have faith in the infinite nature of space because I can't personally verify that space never ends.
In my opinion faith is far more admirable than belief. Belief is simple...it can be held, faith can't. Faith requires one to simply accept something as true because its the better alternative. Anyone claiming to have knowledge (belief) is merely admitting they lack faith....when faith is ALL that is required....
I personally do not believe nor have faith that there is a god. I do not have any evidence one way or the other and I simply lack the ability to have faith. Many will say what is the harm in having faith and that is a valid point, to a point, but having faith in something that you sincerely fail to think is possible from a logical point of view is a gateway psychosis....having faith because you choose to, because you want their to be something more than this life, is admirable. Claiming faith when you have serious logistical doubt is a good way to wind up in all manner of ill situations....lying to one's self is a bad idea....
Belief is a lower order of human concept than faith. Belief is an intellectual acceptance of verifiable facts....something that no human has, anyone claiming otherwise is admitting they lack what is required and is a much higher human concept than belief and that is faith. Faith is acceptance in one's heart and mind that something exists in the absence of concrete evidence of its existence. I believe in gravity because I can verify it exists. I have faith in the infinite nature of space because I can't personally verify that space never ends.
In my opinion faith is far more admirable than belief. Belief is simple...it can be held, faith can't. Faith requires one to simply accept something as true because its the better alternative. Anyone claiming to have knowledge (belief) is merely admitting they lack faith....when faith is ALL that is required....
I personally do not believe nor have faith that there is a god. I do not have any evidence one way or the other and I simply lack the ability to have faith. Many will say what is the harm in having faith and that is a valid point, to a point, but having faith in something that you sincerely fail to think is possible from a logical point of view is a gateway psychosis....having faith because you choose to, because you want their to be something more than this life, is admirable. Claiming faith when you have serious logistical doubt is a good way to wind up in all manner of ill situations....lying to one's self is a bad idea....
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