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Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:15 pm to SM6
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Contrast that to UPS at its Louisville hub averaging 107/day with a peak of 141 daily in December
Wow I thought UPS averaged more departures than that from SDF.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:59 pm to Reservoir dawg
MSY definitely outperforms its size in direct flights and especially number of daily flights on some routes. BTR does not need to do anything to compete or catch up. It's a feeder to certain hubs, and that's all it will ever be.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:54 pm to SM6
8.4% seems actually pretty high? 85 people/ day on international itineraries (or a little over 1 full RJ). Or another way, every 70 person RJ plane in/out of BTR on average has 5 international passengers on it.
But still important to this discussion to figure is who isn’t flying out of BTR and why.
Taking into account that the airlines don’t care emotionally whether we use MSY or BTR, it’s then a question of premium. If a passenger would be willing to spend $300 to fly out of BTR, but takes the $200 flight out of MSY simply because the more expensive BTR flight wasn’t available, than the airline is out $100.
If, for instance, 50% of BTR is heading toward MSY, and these passengers would (on average) be willing $50 more if the BTR flight was available - then that’s an extra $19 million on the table for the airlines to put more directs in/out of BTR. Any additional traffic (non flyers that now choose to fly) is surplus.
The loser in this ends up being MSY which loses $17/day in parking revenue - but the airlines don’t care about that.
But still important to this discussion to figure is who isn’t flying out of BTR and why.
Taking into account that the airlines don’t care emotionally whether we use MSY or BTR, it’s then a question of premium. If a passenger would be willing to spend $300 to fly out of BTR, but takes the $200 flight out of MSY simply because the more expensive BTR flight wasn’t available, than the airline is out $100.
If, for instance, 50% of BTR is heading toward MSY, and these passengers would (on average) be willing $50 more if the BTR flight was available - then that’s an extra $19 million on the table for the airlines to put more directs in/out of BTR. Any additional traffic (non flyers that now choose to fly) is surplus.
The loser in this ends up being MSY which loses $17/day in parking revenue - but the airlines don’t care about that.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 6:22 pm to Paul Allen
Love small airports...right up until the inevitable delays/connection issues...
Posted on 2/13/18 at 6:23 pm to Fat Harry
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MSY definitely outperforms its size in direct flights and especially number of daily flights on some routes. BTR does not need to do anything to compete or catch up. It's a feeder to certain hubs, and that's all it will ever be.
MSY is a hot destination due to tremendous tourism. Without it, MSY would look like BHM in the numbers.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:23 am to Reservoir dawg
I liked flying out of BTR because it was so small and easy to make it through security. When I few Continental back during my LSU days, the person at the check in desk was also the gate agent.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:36 am to SM6
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United might make sense for ORD, they are trying to build their network out and recently signed with another regional carrier to add 50-seat RJs that might work on the route with enough connecting flow.
If united flys ORD-BTR it will most likely be Air Wisconsin on CRJ-200s.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:42 am to RedFoxx
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If united flys ORD-BTR it will most likely be Air Wisconsin on CRJ-200s.
I could live with that....but I'd hope it would be CRJ-700s.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:56 am to member12
i would like to know the reasoning behind some of the routes airlines take.
I flew from BTR to Reagan in DC. Had to go to DFW first.
Flew from OKC to ABQ , had to go to LAX first.
Going to be leaving memphis friday and i can literally drive to BRT in the same time as it takes to fly.
I flew from BTR to Reagan in DC. Had to go to DFW first.
Flew from OKC to ABQ , had to go to LAX first.
Going to be leaving memphis friday and i can literally drive to BRT in the same time as it takes to fly.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:09 am to Reservoir dawg
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MSY is a hot destination due to tremendous tourism. Without it, MSY would look like BHM in the numbers.
No doubt. New Orleans does not have the business travelers to support the flights outside of a few major cities. But, we still get the benefit of all of the tourists traveling. Also makes it much easier to snag upgrades out of MSY because the heavy iron is flying here instead of regional jets.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:41 am to BRIllini07
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Taking into account that the airlines don’t care emotionally whether we use MSY or BTR, it’s then a question of premium. If a passenger would be willing to spend $300 to fly out of BTR, but takes the $200 flight out of MSY simply because the more expensive BTR flight wasn’t available, than the airline is out $100.
If, for instance, 50% of BTR is heading toward MSY, and these passengers would (on average) be willing $50 more if the BTR flight was available - then that’s an extra $19 million on the table for the airlines to put more directs in/out of BTR. Any additional traffic (non flyers that now choose to fly) is surplus.
Great points. The missing part of the equation for airlines is the cost. Not the airport costs as these typically account for 2-5% of the total cost of doing business. Its the cost of operating the capacity.
You may get an extra $50 or $100 per person on that BTR flight, but the RJ is more expensive to operate on a unit cost basis than say an A320 or 737. While that passenger might net you more income, you still have to pay for two pilots on both planes, crews, capital costs, overhead, etc. You aren't able to spread some of these fixed costs across a greater number of passengers. This is why flights from small cities tend to be more expensive than larger cities that may be in close proximity (e.g. Bryan/College Station to IAH, Tyler to DFW).
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:42 am to Paul Allen
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My thread is 9 pages strong
And growing... wish I would have seen this thread earlier.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:42 am to SM6
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:18 am to Paul Allen
Happy valentines day Paul
Tips on where I should take the missus out tonight in NOLA?
Tips on where I should take the missus out tonight in NOLA?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:16 am to Fat Harry
That's fantastic.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:31 am to Fat Harry
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:09 pm to S
Avo on Magazine street
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:10 pm to Fat Harry
A couple of airlines are actually wanting to stay at the old airport.
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