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re: West Point set to unveil statue of Ulysses S. Grant
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:00 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:00 am to RollTide1987
And about the civilians in Vicksburg he bombed and killed to get the south to capitulate?
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:15 am to Polycarp
Grant and Lincoln and everyone of their ilk, who thought the way to “save” a county was to send 600k to their deaths and complete destroy an entire region of “their” country, will never be viewed as the good guys by me. History can paint them with a beautiful brush because they won and I understand that.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
I think it says a lot that he doesn't ALREADY have a statue there.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:51 am to RollTide1987
I think we’re all missing something here...
frick this guy
quote:
Douglas MacArthur (1903)
frick this guy
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:55 am to BatonrougeCajun
Had many relatives who fought for the South. The pro South posts and the hatred towards Grant/Lincoln on this board is just dumb. Let it go. War was inevitable after secession and war is hell.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:55 am to jimbeam
Whew Okay. Here goes.
5,15,16,4,7,8,10,6,3,9,11,14,12,13,1,2
frick that was hard.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 7:57 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:16 am to TheOcean
There is nothing to let go. The Confederacy certainly wasn’t the good side either. My stance is the leaders of the United States did not have to initiate war on the CSA and they certainly did not need to destroy the south to the point that it never truly recovered. You don’t claim that you want to save a country and then destroy it economically and socially. That’s lunacy. Over 600k dead. For what? So systemic racism, economic devastation, and hatred towards both sides could last for another 150 years.
Sweet cause
Sweet cause
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:20 am to Polycarp
quote:
And about the civilians in Vicksburg he bombed and killed to get the south to capitulate?
Pemberton should have surrendered Vicksburg immediately.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Soviet generals 80 years later studied Ulysses S. Grant's strategy of using soldiers as fodder to simply overwhelm the enemy.
Dude didn't care how many lives the battles cost.
It worked in both cases though. Both were very similar situations where the North and Soviets had way more people and supplies but poor leadership and weren’t great fighters whereas the opponents (confederates and Nazi Germany) had fewer people to spare but great military leadership.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:39 am to RollTide1987
quote:well lets rip that statue down!
He owned one slave
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:53 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Good. Will give me a place to piss the next time I’m up at West Point
Just to let you know the military police are the last people you want to frick with
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:15 am to RollTide1987
A true Patriot
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:20 am to mofungoo
quote:
Grant held onto William after the emancipation proclamation for several months before he set him free, however.
He was set free in 1859.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:20 am to RollTide1987
They should have taken the money used to buy the statue and put it into a restoration and preservation fund for his tomb, an hour downriver from West Point.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:22 am to BatonrougeCajun
quote:
Grant and Lincoln and everyone of their ilk, who thought the way to “save” a county was to send 600k to their deaths and complete destroy an entire region of “their” country, will never be viewed as the good guys by me.
Well maybe if that region hadn't based their entire economy on slave labor, and the inbreds hadn't been willing to die to preserve their right to own other humans then just maybe Lincoln wouldn't have had to send Grant and Sherman and their "ilk" to burn down that regions inbred cities. Ever think of that?
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:29 am to ExtraGravy
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He lost lower percentages of his men in battle than his Confederate adversaries did.
I have a new found respect for General Grant in that he was the first Union General to fully bring to bear his single greatest advantage over the South... the sheer size and inexhaustible supplies of the Union army.
But don't make it out to be that he was some type of strategic genius. Whereas his predecessors would retreat to Washington after a tough fight to lick their wounds, his single standing order was to grab the Confederate army by the belt buckle and never let go... to allow the sheer weight of his army to crush the South. And he lost a SH*T-LOAD of soldiers in the process.
The fact that he lost a smaller "percentage" of men merely means his army was friggin' HUGE compared to the Confederate army!
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:31 am to mofungoo
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Grant held onto William after the emancipation proclamation for several months before he set him free, however.
Uh, no.
Grant got William Jones in 1857-58 and set him free in 1859. The Emancipation Proclamation was issued on January 1, 1863.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:38 am to AustinTigr
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His single order was to grab the Confederate army by the belt buckle and never let go... to allow the sheer weight of his army crush the South. And he lost a SH*T-LOAD of soldiers in the process.
Yeah...this isn't what he wanted to do at all. Grant's whole objective in Virginia was to have the Army of the Potomac get behind Lee and force Lee to attack it. Problem was...the Army of the Potomac was slow on the march due to its size. Lee's smaller army could move faster and check its movements.
Grant was also very hands off at the beginning of the campaign, allowing Meade and his staff a great deal of latitude when it came to tactical decisions. After all, Grant was the General-in-Chief of all Union armies while Meade was the commanding general of the Army of the Potomac.
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:45 am to Polycarp
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And about the civilians in Vicksburg he bombed and killed to get the south to capitulate?
i guess we shouldn't honor the military for WW2 because we had to bomb civilians to get Germany and japan to capitulate
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:45 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Good. Will give me a place to piss the next time I’m up at West Point
yea. you won't do shite.
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