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re: We Should Increase Law School to 4 or Even 5 Years

Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:44 pm to
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:44 pm to
Oh, how the perception of lawyers has changed.



Is it true that if you don't go to a T14, you're screwed?
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32446 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:45 pm to
Two years of school to get the basic knowledge. One year clerking for the government and One or two years in private practice. Then you take the bar.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:45 pm to
Little harsh, I retract my statement
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:46 pm to
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Or maybe considering the number of law grads who can't get a job... the number of law school slots should be cut in half. Close a bunch of crappy law schools, and make the remaining ones harder. If you can increase the teaching level, maybe you can combine the current 3 years into 2.5 years and leave half a year for internships or whatever.




Google will show you this is already happening. Well except for the remainder getting "harder".
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:46 pm to
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Most of you bunch of idiots can’t think critically about/in business.

What we need is business folks with law degrees.


People like you probably keep me in business, tbh
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:47 pm to
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there is a noticeable decline in the ability of recent law school graduates to enter the courtroom


this is new?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
41007 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:47 pm to
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Is it true that if you don't go to a T14, you're screwed?

No, but it helps.

ETA: what screws you is:
1) paying too much to go to school
2) not doing well at the school you went to
3) going to a school so bad the first two don't matter
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
61834 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:47 pm to
Which means we will have to shift to law practice specialization

For example, Clerking for a criminal prosecutor won’t do you much good if you wish to be an estate planner or transactionional real estate or contract attorney
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:48 pm to
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Speaking of Pennoyer, as a 1L who just finished spending around half of the semester in civ pro discussing personal jurisdiction, I would like to know how common it is to actually encounter personal jurisdiction issues for your everyday attorney? I guess it really just depends on the type of law you do and cases you handle, but I’d like to get some insight from the practicing attorneys out there.



It's probably disproportionate to the amount of time you spend on PJ in law school, but it's a real practical consideration that arises.
Posted by DivotBreath
On the course
Member since Oct 2007
3736 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:49 pm to
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Not all practices of law need courtroom experience or litigation experience


I agree . . . those that do not need to litigate would not be required to satisfy the local rule. Also, after three years, one would hope a non-litigating attorney would have picked up enough knowledge that the local rule requirement would no longer apply and they could appear before the court if they needed to do so.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3392 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:50 pm to
Maybe you’re right.

Or maybe if you had a couple more years in law school you could have been competitive for the JAG Corps

Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
41007 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:54 pm to
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but it's a real practical consideration that arises.


I'm aware of an idiot who filed where the plaintiff lived in a civil damages battery case.

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
46730 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:57 pm to
Actually just got into JAG. Sweet burn, though.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85580 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:00 pm to
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It's probably disproportionate to the amount of time you spend on PJ in law school, but it's a real practical consideration that arises.

I agree. It matters sometimes, but not as much on a daily basis as law professors would have you believe.

I never understood why Fed Civ Pro was taught in 1L. I don’t know where the courthouse is but I’m learning the intricacies of diversity jurisdiction. I always thought Civ Pro would be better learned through a skills class.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3392 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:00 pm to
You join the Reserve baw?

I guess after 4 years they took pity on you
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33408 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:01 pm to
Definitely
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
46730 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:03 pm to
I didn't join out of law school because of an LLM.

Seriously though, 4/5 years in law school is a terrible idea
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138865 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:03 pm to
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I’m 32. Am I too old
yes
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33916 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:03 pm to
This has nothing to do with coddling youth and everything to do with a change in the way universities teach, and pressure for them to take more students and graduate more students to make more money
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:07 pm to
What branch? Army Reserves for 21 years. Boarding for 06 in 2018.
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