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re: We be in fact stupid and can’t read

Posted on 9/29/26 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
25466 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 4:24 pm to
According to surveys performed by surveyors who are also radical leftists.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
23019 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 4:40 pm to
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Incredible, complete utter failure of our public school system. You weren’t allowed out of first grade at local private schools unless you could read better than most of the American adults now.


I blame parents more. Starts at home. We read (and read in past tense) with our children all the time.

Public school teachers can find themselves in a classroom with 20/24 kids with deadbeat parents that don't provide any support for their education at home. That's an impossible task for the teachers.

Add in that even if the teachers want to fail or hold back kids, they aren't allowed to anymore.

Posted by YungFO
Dallas
Member since Mar 2018
1153 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 6:30 pm to
I work next to a dude that legitimately can’t read. What’s crazy is 90% of our job is email based and he’s actually fairly successful.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
56970 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 6:35 pm to
Why didn't these morons learn in kindergarten like everyone else?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
51373 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 7:48 pm to
By the way Mississippi went back to the 3 Rs and now they are talking about the Mississippi Miracle and their schools are ranted better than California and in top ten maybe ?

I was taught you read to your kids every night until they fall asleep. I read every night to mine from the kids in the treehouse to Harry Potter, etc. Both of mine are still active readers and real a few books a year.

I would love to see these numbers broken by social economic levels and race.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
11233 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:00 pm to
Ordered a 2 breast dinner for lunch. Got a 2 piece dark. Took it in to have it replaced. Manager said to the girl " what he wont?"

Bout time for another humanity reset. Wonder what # attempt the next one will be?
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
10163 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:43 pm to
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The failure starts and ends in the home. Children from good homes are not the ones failing.


Speaking as a high school teacher, this is definitely the primary difference between a successful and unsuccessful student. It's extremely easy to tell.

But what has pretty much run public education into the ground is No Child Left Behind. When you tie federal funding to children's passing rates then all children are going to wind up passing, by hook or by crook. Which winds up with kids passing through elementary and middle school without learning much.

Once they get to high school they get held more accountable for the most part, but there is only so much a teacher can do in one year with someone who is 4-6 years behind in learning.

And even when a teacher like myself holds students accountable and fails them, they just wind up getting the credits in summer school or the ever popular credit recovery classes/programs, where they don't learn a thing. Only the students who actively refuse to try in any shape or form wind up not graduating, which results in a dumb population that can't read.

The only way to fix things is to go back to the basics at the lower levels and hold kids accountable. And this has to happen in conjunction with stopping the litigation happiness of suing schools and kids hiding behind IEPs to avoid being kicked out for bad behavior. Terrible kids need to be removed for good/average kids to be successful.
This post was edited on 9/29/26 at 8:45 pm
Posted by Hobie101
Member since May 2012
1308 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:56 pm to
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According to surveys performed by surveyors who are also radical leftists.


Good point. Conspiracy theories such as these with no evidence are always true.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
53730 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 8:57 pm to
I can’t possibly be bothered to read all that although I think I could
Posted by jasonbr1975
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2024
2808 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 9:01 pm to
Yeah, I could, but, I aint's gonna read all dat post.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
10163 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 9:07 pm to
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The Democrats run the Teachers Unions, make up a large percentage of teachers and the staff. Same goes for "Higher Education


You are right that Democrats typically more the ones that wind up running the unions, but I think you'd be surprised how close the numbers are to 50/50 politically speaking, at least at the high school level. At least at the two Title 1 high schools I've taught at in AZ it has been fairly close.

The fact that it leans slightly more democrat is kind of a self fulfilling cycle though, as Republican state level politicians tend to screw over educators consistently, which makes it pretty hard for teachers to vote for them if they are primarily going for their own self interest.

As a conservative voter who is also in education, it's a pretty rough spot to be in. I don't necessarily blame people for voting in self interest in that situation. Things need to change, but much like in general politics, it's the extremely dumb voices on both ends of the spectrum that are causing the (typically really dumb) changes.
Posted by Ben Rumson
Anywhere but a town
Member since Sep 2026
180 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 9:15 pm to
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The failure starts and ends in the home. Children from good homes are not the ones failing.


Don't bring that personal responsibility BS in here to a thread full of socialist!

We already know what the problem is. It's the government's responsibility to raise and educate our children and even though the republicans have been in control at the State and Federal level for most of this century, somehow it's the democrat's fault.

If we had the republicans running things (which they are) we wouldn't have a problem with converting low I.Q. unmotivated lazy kids into rocket scientists.
Posted by BoomerandSooner
Top of Texas
Member since Sep 2025
3507 posts
Posted on 9/29/26 at 11:44 pm to
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as Republican state level politicians tend to screw over educators consistently


How are they screwing educators over? Not enough pay? Do we reward failing our children?

Since you are an educator let's do some simple math. In ten years, 83% of school districts lost ground in reading. What % of a raise should educators receive for an 83% failure rate?



More fun facts

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=L1300

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Teacher and educator political contributions heavily favor the Democratic Party, with historical tracking showing that at least 94% of political donations from major teacher unions have gone to Democrats since 1990.


https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/ntps/tables/Table_TeachersUnion.asp

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About 69.9% of public school teachers in the United States belong to a union or an employee association.



Now let's focus on only (Public K-12).

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/survey-educators-political-leanings-who-they-voted-for-where-they-stand-on-key-issues/2017/12

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Party Affiliation and Ideology (Public K-12)
• Democrats: Approximately 58% of public school teachers identify as or lean Democratic.
• Republicans: Roughly 35% to 37% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party.


https://www.efinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/EFI-PoliticalDonations_JGreene.pdf

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Political donation data reflects a strong left-leaning preference. During the 2022 election cycle, roughly 68% of campaign contributions from K-12 teachers went to Democratic candidates or committees.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76738 posts
Posted on 9/30/26 at 1:03 am to
Ladies and gentlemen of the OT jury, may I introduce our local Exhibit A, a person known here by his ability to disregard grammar, spelling and journalism rules in a single malaprop:

Paige Spirinac Heres A Special Holiday Is Coming Soon And Tees Off
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
3929 posts
Posted on 9/30/26 at 1:05 am to
To be fair I can’t read either and same applies to many on here. I use a reading and writing software that reads for me and helps me respond back with words to text.
Posted by PaBon
UPT 17th W/D
Member since Sep 2014
2279 posts
Posted on 9/30/26 at 2:02 am to
Nathan Abshire, one of the founding fathers of Cajun music in here in Louisiana couldn’t spell his name. He worked in the local dump yard and loved what he did. This was not in the so distant past either.

Illiteracy is not new news sad to say, especially in the Deep South, but I agree, America is getting stupid.
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