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re: WBRZ: BRPD releases sequence of events in Trader Joe’s shooting
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:55 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:55 pm to The Pirate King
There's got to be more to it than this.
It's certainly possible that he yelled at the dude once, got his gun, then shot the dude but I have a hard time believing it went down that way.
Local media used to be just about the best source for accurate reporting but they've gone the way of the national media. Shame on WBRZ for posting this.
It's certainly possible that he yelled at the dude once, got his gun, then shot the dude but I have a hard time believing it went down that way.
Local media used to be just about the best source for accurate reporting but they've gone the way of the national media. Shame on WBRZ for posting this.
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:55 pm to doubleb
Then it would be his fault, contrary to the stupid inference you drew in your first post in response.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:57 pm to The Pirate King
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This seems like its missing some important details. A guy walking up and trying to shoot a panhandler, weapon jams, clearing a jam, then shooting a panhandler in the abdomen just for panhandling seems a little farfetched.
Is it really that hard to believe? His fricking name is Jace
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:57 pm to upgrayedd
Oh so now it’s WBRZ’s fault that the affidavit released by BRPD doesn’t look good for the shooter? Lol, you could tell just from the pics posted on here from his Facebook that the guy is probably a nut.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:58 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Well the character of the dead guy should help establish credibility of his behavior before and during this incident which is pertinent to the actions of the shooter.
its gonna definitely affect how I feel about the shooter claiming he was a threat To him or his wife.
So yeah, I think it should be discussed.
And I wasn’t suggesting anyone here was knighting for the beggar, but the media has gone to great
Lengths to stop calling him an aggressive panhandler. I find that odd, since people here were saying that he was and the media was too- originally.
The actions of the diseased are most important. If the guy threatened the shooter, that’s huge.
I think there were enough people initially interviewed that established the dead guy as an aggressive panhandler. And if he threatened the shooter it’s a huge part of the case.
But if the article is true, the defense would have to explain why the guy went back to his vehicle, got a gun and shot the guy.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:58 pm to TigahJay
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Oh so now it’s WBRZ’s fault that the affidavit released by BRPD doesn’t look good for the shooter? Lol, you could tell just from the pics posted on here from his Facebook that the guy is probably a nut.
No, it's their fault for not following up in asking for details.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:59 pm to TigahJay
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Oh so now it’s WBRZ’s fault that the affidavit released by BRPD doesn’t look good for the shooter?
No, people simply want to see the affidavit, not some reporter's interpretation of the affidavit.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:59 pm to TigahJay
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you could tell just from the pics posted on here from his Facebook that the guy is probably a nut.
Maybe he is, but it is hard to pick a winner between someone we know little about and someone who thinks panhandling is a good idea.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:59 pm to doubleb
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So if the report is accurate (we don’t know if it is), it’s the deceased’s fault for not running away and not the shooter’s fault?
Well if he’s an aggressive panhandler confronting the shooter and he continues to present himself as a threat to the shooter as the shooter is clearing his weapon, then yes, he’s somewhat at fault. Doesn’t mean the shooter isn’t wrong too. But it’s not 2nd degree murder as was reportedly what the warrant is for.
Don’t you think the bum should’ve hauled arse or tried to deescalate the situation once he was confronted by an armed white man?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:00 pm to TigahJay
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This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 1:04 am
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:02 pm to TigersSEC2010
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WBRZ should post the actual affidavit. Not their retarded journalist summary of it. The narrative of the incident makes absolutely no sense.
I just checked for it. The Clerk hasn't posted it online yet either.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:05 pm to TigersSEC2010
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WBRZ should post the actual affidavit. Not their retarded journalist summary of it. The narrative of the incident makes absolutely no sense.
What can't you understand?
The guy yelled at the panhandler from his car.
He got out to yell at the panhandler for bothering a woman.
He then went back to his car, got his weapon, and shot the panhandler.
Makes perfect sense if the shooter is an a-hole.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:07 pm to therick711
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Who hangs around after a misfire and reload?
I don't know about you but that reload doesn't take me any time at all. The victim was 61 years old. Many youngins wouldn't be able to get out of the way in time.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:07 pm to Centinel
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No, people simply want to see the affidavit, not some reporter's interpretation of the affidavit.
I looked on BRPD twitter and found nothing.
WAFB article has this. A little more detail from the arrest report.
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The arrest report states Buckley approached Boyd while he was sitting in his car to ask him for money. Boyd and Buckley then had a verbal argument through the open window of the car, the report states. Buckley then reportedly walked away from Boyd’s car and approached a young woman who was also in the parking lot. The report goes on to say Boyd yelled at Buckley to leave the women alone because he was scaring them. Buckley then reportedly began to approach Boyd, who then armed himself with a handgun from his car. Police say Boyd pointed the weapon at Buckley and tried to shoot him, but the weapon misfired. Boyd then reportedly put another bullet in the chamber and fired again, striking Buckley in the abdomen. Police say Buckley was unarmed and out of arm’s reach when he was shot. Buckley was taken to a local hospital, where he later died.
So the panhandler just “approached” the shooter and the guy shot him for that? More question marks
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:07 pm to doubleb
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But if the article is true, the defense would have to explain why the guy went back to his vehicle, got a gun and shot the guy.
Agreed. But that’s why I bring up the beggars behavior and character. Was he the aggressive panhandler as originally described? And what defines that? Did he follow the kid to his truck. Was he standing close by talking shite to this kid?
I’ve had bums follow me across the Albertsons parking lot even after I told them no. Did the deceased do the same before he was shot? Sounds like he didn’t flee, even when the kid was clearing the weapon.
This is all relevant to the case and establishing what degree of wrongdoing the shooter committed.
If any.
But it doesn’t look good for the shooter, all things considered.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:09 pm to The Pirate King
ETA: I misread.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:09 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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What can't you understand?
The guy yelled at the panhandler from his car.
He got out to yell at the panhandler for bothering a woman.
He then went back to his car, got his weapon, and shot the panhandler.
Makes perfect sense if the shooter is an a-hole.
We don't know this is what happened. We only know what the reporter said the affidavit said.
Pardon me if I fail to trust the word of a journalist and prefer to see the actual document myself.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:15 pm to The Pirate King
I am not saying I believe that's what happened, its hard to believe anything that is reported, but I did read on WAFB earlier in the week that the two girls said Buckley did ask them for money, then they heard someone yell something than then what sounded like a gun shot.
If that's the case, it seems to add up to what's in this report. The dude could have been fricked up or something and got hyper aggressive. But it isn't surprising. If people go around parking lots asking people for money, at some point they are going to run into the wrong person.
If that's the case, it seems to add up to what's in this report. The dude could have been fricked up or something and got hyper aggressive. But it isn't surprising. If people go around parking lots asking people for money, at some point they are going to run into the wrong person.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:16 pm to Centinel
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We don't know this is what happened. We only know what the reporter said the affidavit said.
Pardon me if I fail to trust the word of a journalist and prefer to see the actual document myself.
Have an upvote
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:16 pm to doubleb
quote:Common sense interpretation... if someone points a gun at you and clicks the first time, you could possibly be fearful and run... and get shot in the back.quote:
Who hangs around after a misfire and reload? The panhandler who was allegedly unarmed should have headed for the hills after the first click. Not what one would expect thus it must be incomplete or inaccurate.
So if the report is accurate (we don’t know if it is), it’s the deceased’s fault for not running away and not the shooter’s fault?
There's a fly in that theory, though. Odds are just as good you try to disarm the guy, especially after he pulls the trigger the first time. Adrenaline etc, jump him before he gets another shot off. You act without thinking, so running away vs trying to disarm is a 50-50 type of thing. Probably distance separating the two plays a lot into what you do. Also whether he's deranged, etc.
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