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re: Wage inequality and women
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:28 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:28 am to LNCHBOX
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A lawyer would have a field day with that wrongful termination suit though
there are many reasons companies can fire employees...i doubt they would list that as the reason. Internet violation or some other excuse would be what they would list even though its probably because they think you are taking advantage of the leave policy. Just because it is allowed doesn't mean the company will value you as an employee for taking it...and that is why most men don't use it.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:29 am to More beer please
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I think he does, and everyone else has to prove their points but him apparently.
I'm not the one making baseless claims. Show me an HR manual that allows for women to get extra paid leave for maternity on top of whatever all employees get.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:30 am to Topwater Trout
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.i doubt they would list that as the reason.
exactly, i can find a reason to fire anyone at pretty much any time
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:30 am to Topwater Trout
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there are many reasons companies can fire employees...i doubt they would list that as the reason. Internet violation or some other excuse would be what they would list even though its probably because they think you are taking advantage of the leave policy. Just because it is allowed doesn't mean the company will value you as an employee for taking it...and that is why most men don't use it.
That really wasn't the point of why I brought that up. You and yellowfin can take your tangent elsewhere.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:30 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you think women just get extra paid leave to have a baby?
Could you phrase that better? Do I think women get pregnant to get paid leave? No.
It doesn't change the fact that men tend to be more reliable and less likely to miss work, thus more dependable which leads to more money.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:32 am to PrettyBird
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Most companies give you ~6 sick days
If your company sucks, then yeah.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:32 am to tylercsbn9
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Could you phrase that better?
Do I need to?
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Do I think women get pregnant to get paid leave? No.
If that's what you thought I was asking, there's not much point continuing on with you.
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It doesn't change the fact that men tend to be more reliable and less likely to miss work, thus more dependable which leads to more money.
And this is still irrelevant.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:34 am to LNCHBOX
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And this is still irrelevant.
Being a more dependable employee isn't relevant to pay? Obviously no point in continuing with you.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:34 am to LNCHBOX
I'm just trying to explain to you that even though a 12 weeks leave may be legally available to me it's not really available unless you have a shitty job.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:34 am to OMLandshark
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f your company sucks, then yeah.
Well I honestly don't pay attention to what my sick days are because I have never come close to exceeding them. Only time I took a sick day in the past few years was when I had the flu and was contagious. 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:34 am to tylercsbn9
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You really think men get as much paid leave as women for babies in most companies?
i'm confused about this as well. when my wife had our baby about seven years ago I had to take 2 days of PTO.
One of my female friends working for the same company got 6 paid weeks off and didn't have to take a single day of vacation.
I know it's not like that everywhere, but that's the case, give or take a week, everywhere i know.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:35 am to tylercsbn9
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Being a more dependable employee isn't relevant to pay?
No one is arguing that with you.
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Obviously no point in continuing with you.
Good job repeating me.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:36 am to yellowfin
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I'm just trying to explain to you that even though a 12 weeks leave may be legally available to me it's not really available unless you have a shitty job.
I'm aware of that fact, but that wasn't why I brought it up. Like I said, you and topwater are going on a tangent.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:37 am to LNCHBOX
Are you saying that men get the same paid leave that women get for having a baby?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:38 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm aware of that fact, but that wasn't why I brought it up.
Why did you bring it up then?
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Like I said, you and topwater are going on a tangent.
I'm not
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:38 am to HeadyMurphey
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Are you saying that men get the same paid leave that women get for having a baby?
Nope.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:39 am to yellowfin
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Why did you bring it up then?
Because tyler whatever said men don't get the same leave as women, and legally that's not true.
Some companies may give a little paid leave to women, but it not guaranteed.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:40 am to 3nOut
Paternity leave is a progressive thing. Large law firms and more progressive companies do it, but acting like it is the norm is dishonest.
All other things equal, men are a better long term investment than women. I'd actually argue that women may be a better short term investment, at least anecdotally. Most women work harder and act more responsibly in their initial terms of employment than men, in my experience (in professional jobs). But, in time more than 50% leave high stress positions, often permanently. This is not an argument I'd want to take in a legal matter, but I think it is ethically sound.
All other things equal, men are a better long term investment than women. I'd actually argue that women may be a better short term investment, at least anecdotally. Most women work harder and act more responsibly in their initial terms of employment than men, in my experience (in professional jobs). But, in time more than 50% leave high stress positions, often permanently. This is not an argument I'd want to take in a legal matter, but I think it is ethically sound.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:42 am to LNCHBOX
Then what in the hell does this mean?
I assume all employees includes men. Since men get zero paid leave for maternity, I would say that women do in fact get extra paid leave for maternity.
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how me an HR manual that allows for women to get extra paid leave for maternity on top of whatever all employees get
I assume all employees includes men. Since men get zero paid leave for maternity, I would say that women do in fact get extra paid leave for maternity.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
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One of my female friends working for the same company got 6 paid weeks off and didn't have to take a single day of vacation.
And here is exactly why I said paid leave was more important than unpaid leave in this discussion.
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